Re: Regarding implementation of SVG2 vector effects

Hi Francis,


> You have exposed that the SVG2 package is never going to be implemented
in browsers.


When you think of all the work that all those volunteers have done over the
years for SVG2, all the expectations, the mass of amazing research and
creations, the mass of lost knowledge.


> Also, there is a total lack of coordination between browser vendors and
w3.org on implementing any of its parts.


That would be a nice way to put it if at W3 they were candid (vs corrupt).
More likely, since the Chrome crowd want to do their own things, and since
they know better, the thing went out of control for the W3. Or perhaps it
didn’t really go out of control, more like connivance. Edge proposes what
it has in its genes since the Netscape war: controversy and reticence,
which never helped. Firefox then is the outsider. Mozilla’s new position
was to be expected at some point.


Has Chris Lilley done a good job? In regard to his plans, yes, he has. Has
Doug Schepers done a good job? In regard to  Chris Lilley’s plans, yes, he
has. Doug is a pathetic example of an eager, dedicated man, committed to a
cause, but who carries out somebody else’s plans. Plans that are
diametrically opposed to his own original ones. Go figure that out. As a
common friend once put it “A little soldier who needs an army”. How does it
feel now, Doug?


What a waste, what a miserable outcome. So much damage. Crude brutality.
The jealousy and ignorance of those who can’t.


In any case, the Chrome crowd will be remembered for being the first (I
think) capable of deteriorating a rendering engine over the years. But of
course, those who know better have the right to underestimate the required
competences. It’s one of their prerogatives. That reminds me of people who
try to reinvent the wheel –which of course is a necessary activity
otherwise we would have cars racing on stone wheels– but when they don’t
have an idea they get one by deprecating the previous wheels, and then see
what happens.


OK, Amen to SVG. Ban the polemics. What’s up next? Oh, CSS, let’s see… Oops!




Domenico Strazzullo

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 3:14 AM, グルチヤンラミン <ktecramin99@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Francis
> 15 years? wow, impressive.. well, it might get a bit frustrating,
> is there any way to encourage both parties (w3.org and browser vendors)
> to reach a common understanding ?
> I hope there is a conclusion ASAP.
>
>
> 2017-01-31 22:45 GMT+09:00 Francis Hemsher <fhemsher@gmail.com>:
>
>> Thanks Ramin,
>> You have exposed that the SVG2 package is never going to be implemented
>> in browsers. Also, there is a total lack of coordination between browser
>> vendors and w3.org on implementing any of its parts.
>> This is going in the same direction we experienced when having SVG1
>> eventually used in browsers, that took over 15 years to be established.
>> Believe me, you are on a frustrating journey...
>> Francis
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 9:38 PM, グルチヤンラミン <ktecramin99@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear W3C/SVGWG
>>>
>>> I am working for KDDI Technology Co. and I'm writing this email to you
>>> because we have been working on implementation of SVG2 CR vector effects
>>> (described in W3G spec, following link) into Firefox/Gecko since last three
>>> months.
>>> https://svgwg.org/svg2-draft/coords.html#VectorEffects
>>>
>>> Sponsored by KDDI, we've succeeded to bring support for those new
>>> effects to firefox/Gecko, however, final shipment has faced to some
>>> difficulties because Mozilla shows no intention to apply new SVG2  spec
>>> unless other browsers i.e. chromium/edge have a plan to do so.
>>> (please refer to following links for more details:
>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.platform/T_7HTTdt-Es
>>> and
>>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1318208
>>> )
>>> As a result, to bring new SVG2 spec to reality, it is very important to
>>> encourage all browsers to apply new spec, and to achieve this goal, your
>>> help would be inevitable.
>>>
>>> We are looking forward for your help and support.
>>>
>>> Thank you very much
>>> Ramin
>>> KDDI Technology
>>>
>>
>>
>