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Re: Regarding implementation of SVG2 vector effects

From: Francis Hemsher <fhemsher@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2017 17:14:04 -0500
Message-ID: <CAFm2N+sZhUgJ495FLZyxdu0UAuQJx-W6zz4rFZPY+As3=+CRqA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Domenico Strazzullo <strazzullo.domenico@gmail.com>
Cc: グルチヤンラミン <ktecramin99@gmail.com>, www-svg <www-svg@w3.org>
Hi Domenico, Ramin, etal,
I think web developers really like SVG. Many have no idea that 'SVG2 is
twice as nice as SVG1" (A banner for a revolt?) Question is...What leverage
would 50,000 web developers have to assure SVG2 does not languish is limbo?
Any thoughts?

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 4:37 PM, Domenico Strazzullo <
strazzullo.domenico@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Francis,
> > You have exposed that the SVG2 package is never going to be implemented
> in browsers.
> When you think of all the work that all those volunteers have done over
> the years for SVG2, all the expectations, the mass of amazing research and
> creations, the mass of lost knowledge.
> > Also, there is a total lack of coordination between browser vendors and
> w3.org on implementing any of its parts.
> That would be a nice way to put it if at W3 they were candid (vs corrupt).
> More likely, since the Chrome crowd want to do their own things, and since
> they know better, the thing went out of control for the W3. Or perhaps it
> didn’t really go out of control, more like connivance. Edge proposes what
> it has in its genes since the Netscape war: controversy and reticence,
> which never helped. Firefox then is the outsider. Mozilla’s new position
> was to be expected at some point.
> Has Chris Lilley done a good job? In regard to his plans, yes, he has. Has
> Doug Schepers done a good job? In regard to  Chris Lilley’s plans, yes, he
> has. Doug is a pathetic example of an eager, dedicated man, committed to a
> cause, but who carries out somebody else’s plans. Plans that are
> diametrically opposed to his own original ones. Go figure that out. As a
> common friend once put it “A little soldier who needs an army”. How does it
> feel now, Doug?
> What a waste, what a miserable outcome. So much damage. Crude brutality.
> The jealousy and ignorance of those who can’t.
> In any case, the Chrome crowd will be remembered for being the first (I
> think) capable of deteriorating a rendering engine over the years. But of
> course, those who know better have the right to underestimate the required
> competences. It’s one of their prerogatives. That reminds me of people who
> try to reinvent the wheel –which of course is a necessary activity
> otherwise we would have cars racing on stone wheels– but when they don’t
> have an idea they get one by deprecating the previous wheels, and then see
> what happens.
> OK, Amen to SVG. Ban the polemics. What’s up next? Oh, CSS, let’s see…
> Oops!
> Domenico Strazzullo
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 3:14 AM, グルチヤンラミン <ktecramin99@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thanks Francis
>> 15 years? wow, impressive.. well, it might get a bit frustrating,
>> is there any way to encourage both parties (w3.org and browser vendors)
>> to reach a common understanding ?
>> I hope there is a conclusion ASAP.
>> 2017-01-31 22:45 GMT+09:00 Francis Hemsher <fhemsher@gmail.com>:
>>> Thanks Ramin,
>>> You have exposed that the SVG2 package is never going to be implemented
>>> in browsers. Also, there is a total lack of coordination between browser
>>> vendors and w3.org on implementing any of its parts.
>>> This is going in the same direction we experienced when having SVG1
>>> eventually used in browsers, that took over 15 years to be established.
>>> Believe me, you are on a frustrating journey...
>>> Francis
>>> On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 9:38 PM, グルチヤンラミン <ktecramin99@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Dear W3C/SVGWG
>>>> I am working for KDDI Technology Co. and I'm writing this email to you
>>>> because we have been working on implementation of SVG2 CR vector effects
>>>> (described in W3G spec, following link) into Firefox/Gecko since last three
>>>> months.
>>>> https://svgwg.org/svg2-draft/coords.html#VectorEffects
>>>> Sponsored by KDDI, we've succeeded to bring support for those new
>>>> effects to firefox/Gecko, however, final shipment has faced to some
>>>> difficulties because Mozilla shows no intention to apply new SVG2  spec
>>>> unless other browsers i.e. chromium/edge have a plan to do so.
>>>> (please refer to following links for more details:
>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.platform
>>>> /T_7HTTdt-Es
>>>> and
>>>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1318208
>>>> )
>>>> As a result, to bring new SVG2 spec to reality, it is very important to
>>>> encourage all browsers to apply new spec, and to achieve this goal, your
>>>> help would be inevitable.
>>>> We are looking forward for your help and support.
>>>> Thank you very much
>>>> Ramin
>>>> KDDI Technology
Received on Wednesday, 1 February 2017 22:14:38 UTC

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