- From: Erik Dahlstrom <ed@opera.com>
- Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 22:35:05 +0100
- To: "public-svg-wg@w3.org" <public-svg-wg@w3.org>
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
SVG Working Group Teleconference
11 Feb 2010
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2010/02/11-svg-irc
Attendees
Present
Regrets
Chair
ed
Scribe
ed
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]webfonts
2. [5]markerPaint
3. [6]css scientific notation
4. [7]FX taskforce
5. [8]widgets
6. [9]gradients
* [10]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 11 February 2010
<ChrisL>
[11]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-members/2010JanMar/00
25.html
[11]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-members/2010JanMar/0025.html
<scribe> scribe: ed
webfonts
<ChrisL> [12]http://www.w3.org/2009/08/WebFonts/activity-proposal
(member onlt)
[12] http://www.w3.org/2009/08/WebFonts/activity-proposal
CL: explains what happened, for the process document
... looking at implementation, there are cmdline tools for woff
... and he coded into firefox
... firefox 3.6 shipped with woff support
... requested fontforge to add woff support
... it's already in their cvs, and works
... there are some python tools for validation
... and it can write @fontface rules for you
... apple hasn't stated a position
... opera has said they will support it
... microsoft was saying they wanted CWT instead
... used to be called EOT-light
... someone had trademark on that
<jwatt> Zakim: +[I is me
<jwatt> Zakim: [IP is me
<jwatt> Zakim: [IPCaller] is me
<jwatt> Zakim: IPCaller is me
CL: we've got two deliverables, the woff spec, and a conformance
spec
... you must support css, same origin restriction, will depend on
css3 fonts spec
... you need a font and a stylesheet to make it work
... the font group will produce tests
... tell your ac reps to vote on this
... svg 1.1 and 1.2T mandates svg font format
... i'd like svg 2 to mandate woff
... but should it require svgfonts?
DS: i'm torn
... thanks to CL for pulling WOFF together
... i'm torn about svgfonts personally
... making it a must means that it's harder to have ppl hit the svg
target
... i'd like to say svg 2.0 is 100% implemented soon
CL: i'd like to see it as a should
DS: svg 1.1 has svgfonts as a must
... all companies that contributed ipr
CL: we can have different conformance classes
... a maximally conforming profile that MUST support svgfonts
ED: see no real benefit of doing full svg 1.1 fonts, but 1.2T svg
fonts are useful
DS: maybe we could go one step beyond svgt12 font support, but one
step down from svg 1.1 full
... we could say must support svg 2.0 fonts, and you may support e.g
full video fonts
CL: we could do alot of tests for svg 1.1 full fonts, and put the
spec text in the first draft, then possibly drop parts if they're
not implemented
ED: JW how about those SVG fonts?
JW: ask again after SMIL is implemented :)
... plan sounds good to me
DS: hope the market will move quicker to the open format
<ChrisL> [13]http://www.aip.org/stixfonts/
[13] http://www.aip.org/stixfonts/
CL: bunch of fonts for doing maths
... you download those fonts, and then you can view mathml
... having it as a webfont is good for viewing an occasional
equation
... given away freely
... there are two converters to WOFF available
... so it's easy for them to do so,
... XSL is also looking at adding webfonts in XSL2.0
... they'll probably want WOFF format support
DS: do we have to do anything special for WOFF?
CL: it's not going to be inline, like an svgfont, well...maybe as a
datauri
... would like to see it in batik
JW: made a woff demo for ff3.6
<jwatt>
[14]http://jwatt.org/svg-open/2009/demos/font-face/web-fonts-in-html
-and-svg.xhtml
[14]
http://jwatt.org/svg-open/2009/demos/font-face/web-fonts-in-html-and-svg.xhtml
JW: the last one in the dropdown is a woff font
markerPaint
[15]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Feb/0023.html
[15] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Feb/0023.html
ED: summary: want to inherit styling into the marker element
CL: could be done with vector effects
DS: we could have this as a canned effect
CL: right, like we do with non-scaling-stroke
... and as for canned filter effects
DS: we should keep the usecase in mind when we design svg 2.0
ED: i raised a few concerns about the proposal there
css scientific notation
CL: majority was in agreement
... pro the scientific notation
... it's a change in grammar
... it's a flex grammar, which does do scientific notation, but css
is using a custom variant doing only numbers
... css21 doesn't allow it
... but the style attribute spec... [lost some bits here]
... got an action to write a summary
... and a request to have more svg ppl in the discussion
... all implementers argued the same position
... this is a first bit of svg/css harmonization
... will keep you informed
FX taskforce
<shepazu> [16]http://www.w3.org/2010/fx/effects-task-force.html
[16] http://www.w3.org/2010/fx/effects-task-force.html
DS: anthony gave some feedback
... don't know how I missed filters, thanks for pointing it out ED
CL: encoding is bad, use utf8
... otherwise looks good to me
DS: suggest making the few changes, propose a first telcon next
thursday to discuss the charter
... and we should get sylvain galinau (sp?) involved
widgets
DS: we're rechartering the webapps wg
... what's interesting about widgets is that you can have svg only
content if you want
... have made that before, for opera
... joined widgets telcon today, an interesting thing came out,
talked about serverside widgets
... you reference it using a object tag, it's just a packaged up
materials
... selfcontained
... i've talked to several ppl that wanted to do this with svg's
... emphasis is this what flash does
... they want to package up everything, helps the workflow
... another way svg can be referenced
... it's yet another way svg can get used
... asked for allowing the manifest to point to a css file, and have
it apply to any other file
<shepazu> [$1\47]
[17]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JanMar/05
73.html
[17]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JanMar/0573.html
<shepazu> [$1\47]
[18]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JanMar/05
69.html
[18]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2010JanMar/0569.html
DS: makes it possible to separate style and content (the link that
ties them)
CL: in XSL it's even worse than CSS
... also means you can restyle someone elses content
ED: sounds similar to the html5 seamless thing
... on iframe elements
gradients
ED: that new wording is going into SVG 1.1 second edition, right?
AG: the changes are fairly small
DS: yes, it's svg 1.1 stuff, clarification
... does it apply to SVGT12?
AG: yes
DS: we should have an errata for 1.2T too then
CL: the grammar for scientific notation in SVG 1.1 and 1.2T is
wrong, all implementations ignore that and do the right thing
ED: let's review the new wording once it's put in place in 1.1
second edition
<scribe> ACTION: add new wording for clarifying userspaceonuse
gradients to SVG 1.1 second edition, and add a corresponding errata
item for SVG Tiny 1.2 [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2010/02/11-svg-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - add
<scribe> ACTION: AG to add new wording for clarifying userspaceonuse
gradients to SVG 1.1 second edition, and add a corresponding errata
item for SVG Tiny 1.2 [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2010/02/11-svg-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2728 - Add new wording for clarifying
userspaceonuse gradients to SVG 1.1 second edition, and add a
corresponding errata item for SVG Tiny 1.2 [on Anthony Grasso - due
2010-02-18].
<scribe> ACTION: ed to email www-style to announce the FX taskforce
telcon / charter discussion [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2010/02/11-svg-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2729 - Email www-style to announce the FX
taskforce telcon / charter discussion [on Erik Dahlström - due
2010-02-18].
<scribe> ACTION: CL to fix the broken grammar for scientific
notation in SVG 1.1 and 1.2T [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2010/02/11-svg-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2730 - Fix the broken grammar for
scientific notation in SVG 1.1 and 1.2T [on Chris Lilley - due
2010-02-18].
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: add new wording for clarifying userspaceonuse
gradients to SVG 1.1 second edition, and add a corresponding errata
item for SVG Tiny 1.2 [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2010/02/11-svg-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: AG to add new wording for clarifying userspaceonuse
gradients to SVG 1.1 second edition, and add a corresponding errata
item for SVG Tiny 1.2 [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2010/02/11-svg-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: CL to fix the broken grammar for scientific notation
in SVG 1.1 and 1.2T [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2010/02/11-svg-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: ed to email www-style to announce the FX taskforce
telcon / charter discussion [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2010/02/11-svg-minutes.html#action03]
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Erik Dahlstrom, Core Technology Developer, Opera Software
Co-Chair, W3C SVG Working Group
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