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Re: Additional Proposed Agenda Items for Today's (Monday's?) SVG TeleCon

From: Erik Dahlstrom <ed@opera.com>
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 20:58:55 +0100
To: "Patrick Dengler" <patd@microsoft.com>, "www-svg@w3.org" <www-svg@w3.org>
Message-ID: <op.u7mcghopgeuyw5@printer.xn--dahlstrm-doa36b.net>
On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:51:13 +0100, Patrick Dengler <patd@microsoft.com>  

> #3C - 'symbol' and 'display: none' clarification
> ================================================
>> From  
>> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/publish/struct.html#SymbolElement
> 'symbol' elements are never rendered directly; their only usage is as  
> something that can be referenced using the 'use' element. The 'display'  
> property does not apply to the 'symbol' element; thus, 'symbol' elements  
> are not directly rendered even if the 'display' property is set to a  
> value other than none, and 'symbol' elements are available for  
> referencing even when the 'display' property on the 'symbol' element or  
> any of its ancestors is set to none.
> <symbol id="sym1" x="96" y="96" style="display: none">
>     <rect x="0" y="0" width="96" height="96" fill="black" />
> </symbol>
> <use xlink:href="#sym1" />
> Should a black 'rect' render (from the 'use') in the above scenario? It  
> does not specify what happens to 'use' instances of 'symbol's when  
> 'display: none' is specified. It is technically 'available for  
> referencing', but it will never render because 'display: none' can't be  
> overridden by child elements. So it depends on what is meant by  
> 'available for referencing' - it is technically 'available', but it is  
> pretty much useless because it will never be visible or occupy layout.

None of the viewers I tested rendered anything for that particular  
testcase. The definition of the <use> element already tells you that  
display should be respected:

For user agents that support Styling with CSS, the generated 'g' element  
carries along with it the "cascaded" property values on the 'use' element  
which result from the CSS cascade [CSS2-CASCADE]. Additionally, the copy  
(deep clone) of the referenced resource carries along with it the  
"cascaded" property values resulting from the CSS cascade on the original  
(i.e., referenced) elements.

> #3D - Further error processing clarifications
> =============================================
> In XHTML, we are unclear how the error processing from Tiny 1.2 applies  
> to the scenario below.  It seems that all browsers inherit the  
> strike-through, yet they probably shouldn't.
> SVG TEXT should inherit bold in this scenario.
> <b>
>  <svg><text>I'm bold</text></svg>
> </b>
> SVG TEXT should not inherit the strikethrough in this scenario.
> <s>
>  <svg><text>I do not have a strikethrough </text></svg>
> </s>

Nice find, I took the liberty of checking that in into the UA-test  


Definately something to discuss.


Erik Dahlstrom, Core Technology Developer, Opera Software
Co-Chair, W3C SVG Working Group
Personal blog: http://my.opera.com/macdev_ed
Received on Thursday, 4 February 2010 19:59:36 UTC

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