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Re: [css-text] copying text-transform'd text

From: Johannes Wilm <johannes@fiduswriter.org>
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 00:49:26 +0200
Message-ID: <CABkgm-QYB4SgNszbuBLoxBUHjqqF2bjW-j=sDj8zKTqkEUGigA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Koji Ishii <kojiishi@gmail.com>
Cc: Dave Cramer <dauwhe@gmail.com>, fantasai <fantasai.lists@inkedblade.net>, Brad Kemper <brad.kemper@gmail.com>, "www-style@w3.org" <www-style@w3.org>
Here is the corresponding Webkit issue from 2010:
https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43202

In the discussion of that issue there are actually some who support keeping
the current behavior. So maybe this is more controversial anyway?

On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 6:44 PM, Johannes Wilm <johannes@fiduswriter.org>
wrote:

> On today's call the direction application (changing the html structure
> rather than keeping it in the styles so that <span style="text-transform:uppercase;">Hello</span>
> turns into <span>HELLO</span>) in the case of html was mentioned.
>
> There is a bug for this on Chrome that has been open since 2013:
> crbug.com/325231 .
>
> In my personal opinion, this is the more serious issue, because as long as
> there is an HTML-version of the clipboard with the original capitalization
> information, pasting applications can always use the HTML version to create
> a custom plaintext version if they want a plaintext version that is
> different from what the browser delivers.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 7:38 PM, Koji Ishii <kojiishi@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Replied to github but this seems to be the place to reply, sorry.
>>
>> I collected major issues we're aware of, from out bug database and user
>> forum. Given the Greg's request, the list isn't limited to text-transform.
>>
>> 1. Most of feedback are about preserving format in the way users expect
>> when copy/pasting formatted text, either from browser or to browser.
>> 2. There are cases where we don't handle spaces (collapse too much or to
>> little) and new lines (fail to generate new lines for end of blocks etc.)
>> in the way users expect. One example is crbug.com/318925.
>> 3. There are cases where selecting linked text is hard or impossible. One
>> example is crbug.com/446391.
>>
>> The text-transform didn't come up in either places.
>>
>> /koji
>>
>> 2016-10-20 22:03 GMT+09:00 Dave Cramer <dauwhe@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 7:58 AM, Koji Ishii <kojiishi@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > On Apr 2, 2015, at 11:41, fantasai <fantasai.lists@inkedblade.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> I think we probably need to get the browsers to agree on this
>>> >> issue and put the required behavior in the spec, so authors know
>>> >> what to expect.
>>> >>
>>> >> Personally I don't think the copied text should be affected by
>>> >> the transform: if that's a key part of the text's presentation,
>>> >> then it should be done in the source. There's a lot of cases
>>> >> where it wouldn't make sense to copy out the style. E.g. putting
>>> >> the first word (or phrase) of an article is a stylistic choice
>>> >> that shouldn't come out in the plaintext copy.
>>> >
>>> > I disagree on both the desired behavior and standardizing this
>>> behavior.
>>> >
>>> > I personally prefer What You See Is What You Copy. How it’s written in
>>> the source file doesn’t matter much to me when I’m viewing a web site.
>>> Especially if we were to introduce regex based text-transform in future,
>>> it’s even more confusing.
>>> >
>>> > And I think plain-textizing belongs to browser UX. If you don’t like a
>>> behavior in your favorite browser, filing a bug to the browser makes more
>>> sense to me.
>>>
>>> Per the Working Group call yesterday, here are some browser bugs
>>> around this issue:
>>>
>>> Mozilla: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35148
>>> Webkit (old): https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3429
>>> Webkit (new):  https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43202
>>>
>>> There doesn't seem to be consensus, but it's only been sixteen years.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Johannes Wilm
> Fidus Writer
> http://www.fiduswriter.org
>



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