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RE: [mediaqueries] MathML

From: Paul Topping <pault@dessci.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 19:49:20 +0000
To: Bill Kasdorf <bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com>, Tab Atkins Jr. <jackalmage@gmail.com>
CC: Avneesh Singh <avneesh.sg@gmail.com>, Florian Rivoal <florian@rivoal.net>, www-style list <www-style@w3.org>, W3C Digital Publishing IG <public-digipub-ig@w3.org>, Peter Krautzberger <peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org>
Message-ID: <B6C5B1ABA88AF446821B281774E6DB71B77C5101@FERMAT.corp.dessci>
Right. And it is also useful for search based on an expression's mathematical structure. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Kasdorf [mailto:bkasdorf@apexcovantage.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2016 11:47 AM
> To: Tab Atkins Jr. <jackalmage@gmail.com>; Paul Topping
> <pault@dessci.com>
> Cc: Avneesh Singh <avneesh.sg@gmail.com>; Florian Rivoal
> <florian@rivoal.net>; www-style list <www-style@w3.org>; W3C Digital
> Publishing IG <public-digipub-ig@w3.org>; Peter Krautzberger
> <peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org>
> Subject: RE: [mediaqueries] MathML
> I didn't see any responses to my previous post, but would add that another
> issue we seem to have is that people are viewing MathML, and the potential
> for using MQs in EPUBs, simply as a display/rendering issue. EPUBs,
> particularly in education, are an important means of interchange, as they are
> for accessibility, apart from any visual rendering issue. We need to give
> publishers a way to do that. That's the crux of the issue at this point, or at
> least _a_ crux.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tab Atkins Jr. [mailto:jackalmage@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2016 2:02 PM
> To: Paul Topping
> Cc: Avneesh Singh; Florian Rivoal; www-style list; W3C Digital Publishing IG;
> Peter Krautzberger
> Subject: Re: [mediaqueries] MathML
> On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 3:07 PM, Paul Topping <pault@dessci.com> wrote:
> > I will admit to not being an expert on media queries but is the state of
> MathML implementation in browsers really a deciding factor on whether
> there should be a math MQ? I appreciate there's a difficulty in deciding how
> good an implementation must be but that is surely a problem shared by
> other complex media types. Isn't MathML's value in accessibility enough to
> justify the creation of a math MQ?
> No.  The deciding factor is whether people actually want to *use* MathML
> for displaying equations, in the UAs that support it.  Based on discussion with
> publishers, it looks like the answer is "not really", because of the poor quality
> of implementations; they'd rather use MathML with a high-quality renderer
> to produce the equation once, then just use the rendered result directly, as
> it means they don't have to test all the UAs to ensure every equation display
> correctly.
> (Contrast this with SVG - the implementation quality for SVG is sufficient that
> people are fine with using it as a display format directly, even tho rendering it
> to a raster image would give them more control and assurance that it was
> correct.)
> Every feature we add has a cost, and must be justified by sufficient benefit.
> If MathML simple isn't being used much as a display format, then we don't
> need to worry about catering to it yet.  Yes, this is a bit of a chicken-and-egg
> issue, but most things are; we can't preemptively support everything just in
> case one of them becomes popular.
> ~TJ

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