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Re: [css-text-decor] Emphasis marks and font variant

From: Ken Lunde <lunde@adobe.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 21:33:24 +0000
To: fantasai <fantasai.lists@inkedblade.net>
CC: Xidorn Quan <quanxunzhen@gmail.com>, www-style list <www-style@w3.org>, "jdaggett@gmail.com" <jdaggett@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43E557DA-28D7-4C64-A18D-2188813D63DF@adobe.com>
Elika,

John is no longer at Mozilla, so I am resending with his other email address.

Best...

-- Ken

> On Dec 22, 2016, at 1:27 PM, Ken Lunde <lunde@adobe.com> wrote:
> 
> Elika,
> 
> Two things should happen when applying the 'ruby' GSUB feature. One is to get the substituted glyphs, which are specifically tuned for ruby use. For some fonts, such as Adobe-Japan1-4 and greater Japanese ones, the 'ruby' GSUB feature will return different glyphs. For other fonts, such as Kenten Generic, it's a no-op because the glyphs are already tuned for ruby use. The other thing that needs to happen is for the client to scale the glyphs, usually to 50%. This is outside the scope of the OpenType 'ruby' GSUB feature.
> 
> Anyway, to answer your question, I think that the answer is yes. For some fonts, different glyphs will be returned (Adobe-Japan1-4 and greater), and for other fonts, the feature is not supported, which results in a no-op (Kenten Generic). In both cases, the glyphs, whether substituted or not, need to be scaled.
> 
> Best...
> 
> -- Ken
> 
>> On Dec 22, 2016, at 11:48 AM, fantasai <fantasai.lists@inkedblade.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Ken and John,
>> Xidorn raised an interesting question: when rendering emphasis marks
>> (bouten) using a given font, should the OpenType 'ruby' feature be
>> activated? (There is no way in CSS to assign font features only to
>> ruby, so the answer here is either always yes or always no.)
>> 
>> Thanks~
>> ~fantasai
>> 
>> On 11/23/2015 09:55 AM, Xidorn Quan wrote:
>>> The current spec says:
>>> Emphasis marks are drawn exactly as if each character was assigned the
>>> mark as its ruby annotation text with the ruby position given by
>>> text-emphasis-position and the ruby alignment as centered.
>>> 
>>> And in CSS Ruby Layout module, there is rule in UA sheet:
>>> "font-variant-east-asian: ruby;". Should this font variant also be
>>> applied to the emphasis marks? The current spec seems to answer yes
>>> unintentionally.
>>> 
>>> I think the spec should make it clear whether the emphasis marks
>>> should be drawn in ruby variant.
> 
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