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Re: [css-counter-styles] feedback “lower-greek”

From: Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 08:49:25 +0000
Message-ID: <54ED8C95.6000307@w3.org>
To: Lea Verou <lea@verou.me>, George Schizas <gschizas@gmail.com>
CC: www-style list <www-style@w3.org>
thanks for this information George, Lea.

i have now added it to the Predefined Counter Styles doc at
http://www.w3.org/International/docs/counter-styles/#greek-styles

to the related test suite at
http://www.w3.org/International/tests/repository/predefined-counter-styles/results-predefined-counter-styles#greek

and to my app at
http://rishida.io/apps/counterconverter/

ευχαριστώ,
ri


On 23/01/2015 03:35, Lea Verou wrote:
> As a fellow Greek, I can attest that this is correct. I thought the
> Greek counter style had been fixed, but from a quick look in the spec it
> looks like it hasn’t. I vaguely remember discussing it with Tab a while
> ago, but maybe it wasn’t about the numbers themselves…
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> Tab, at the very least, even if you can’t/don’t want to follow these
> rules for the higher numbers, at least please follow them for the
> smaller numbers. If it doesn't go to στ after ε, trust me, it will be
> pretty useless in Greece. Not many people (even in Greece) know what
> happens after 10, but everyone knows the first 10, as they’re used very
> widely in modern Greek.
>
> Lea Verou✿http://lea.verou.me ✿ @leaverou
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> On Dec 22, 2014, at 18:58, George Schizas <gschizas@gmail.com
> <mailto:gschizas@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> In regards to the “lower-greek” counter style, this is not the common
>> practice. The commonly used greek numbering style is not α, β, γ, …,
>> ω, αα, αβ. The preferred Greek numbering system, that is used in
>> ancient and modern Greek is the following:
>>
>> α, β, γ, δ, ε, στ or ς, ζ, η, θ (1..9)
>> ι, ια, ιβ, ιγ, … ιθ (10..19)
>> ι, κ, λ, μ, ν, ξ, ο, π, ϟ (10..90)
>> ρ, ρα, ρβ, … ρθ (100..109)
>> ρι, ρια, ριβ, …, ριθ (110, 119)
>> ρ, σ, τ, υ, φ, χ, ψ, ω, ϡ (100...900)
>>
>> So, it’s much like “armenian”, “lower-armenian”, “georgian”
>> and “hebrew”. There is one difference though. To signify numbers
>> larger than 1000, the 1..999 range is repeated, but with the
>> symbol “͵” (U+0375) on the left. Typically you also need another the
>> symbol “ʹ” (U+0374) on the right, but this can be omitted. I’m not
>> sure how to represent this in the @counter-style way. In this fashion,
>> 2014 would be written as ͵κιεʹ (=2000+10+4) and 996996 would be
>> written as ͵ϡϟστϡϟστ or ͵ϡϟστϡϟστʹ or even ͵ϡϟϛϡϟϛʹ.
>>
>> @counter-style greek-lower-modern {
>>   system: additive;
>>   range: 1 999;
>>   additive-symbols: 900 \3E1, 800 \3C9, 700 \3C8, 600 \3C7, 500 \3C6,
>> 400 \3C5, 300 \3C4, 200 \3C3, 100 \3C1, 90 \3DF, 80 \3C0, 70 \3BF,
>> 60 \3BE, 50 \3BD, 40 \3BC, 30 \3BB, 20 \3BA, 10 \3B9, 9 \3B8, 8
>> \3B7, 7 \3B6, 6 \3C3\3C4, 5 \3B5, 4 \3B4, 3 \3B3, 2 \3B2, 1 \3B1
>> /*900 ϡ, 800 ω, 700 ψ, 600 χ, 500 φ, 400 υ, 300 τ, 200 σ, 100 ρ, 90 ϟ,
>> 80 π, 70 ο, 60 ξ, 50 ν, 40 μ, 30 λ, 20 κ, 10 ι, 9 θ, 8 η, 7 ζ, 6 στ, 5
>> ε, 4 δ, 3 γ, 2 β, 1 α*/
>> }
>>
>> @counter-style greek-upper-modern {
>>   system: additive;
>>   range: 1 999;
>>   additive-symbols: 900 \3E0, 800 \3A8, 700 \3A7, 600 \3A6, 500 \3A5,
>> 400 \3A4, 300 \3A3, 200 \3A2, 100 \3A1, 90 \3DE, 80 \3A0, 70 \39F,
>> 60 \39E, 50 \39D, 40 \39C, 30 \39B, 20 \39A, 10 \399, 9 \398, 8
>> \397, 7 \396, 6 \3A3\3A4, 5 \395, 4 \394, 3 \393, 2 \392, 1 \391
>> /*900 Ϡ, 800 Ω, 700 Ψ, 600 Χ, 500 Φ, 400 Υ, 300 Τ, 200 Σ, 100 Ρ, 90 Ϟ,
>> 80 Π, 70 Ο, 60 Ξ, 50 Ν, 40 Μ, 30 Λ, 20 Κ, 10 Ι, 9 Θ, 8 Η, 7 Ζ, 6 ΣΤ, 5
>> Ε, 4 Δ, 3 Γ, 2 Β, 1 Α*/
>> }
>>
>>
>> @counter-style greek-lower-ancient {
>>   system: additive;
>>   range: 1 999;
>>   additive-symbols: 900 \3E1, 800 \3C9, 700 \3C8, 600 \3C7, 500 \3C6,
>> 400 \3C5, 300 \3C4, 200 \3C3, 100 \3C1, 90 \3DF, 80 \3C0, 70 \3BF,
>> 60 \3BE, 50 \3BD, 40 \3BC, 30 \3BB, 20 \3BA, 10 \3B9, 9 \3B8, 8
>> \3B7, 7 \3B6, 6 \3DB, 5 \3B5, 4 \3B4, 3 \3B3, 2 \3B2, 1 \3B1
>> /*900 ϡ, 800 ω, 700 ψ, 600 χ, 500 φ, 400 υ, 300 τ, 200 σ, 100 ρ, 90 ϟ,
>> 80 π, 70 ο, 60 ξ, 50 ν, 40 μ, 30 λ, 20 κ, 10 ι, 9 θ, 8 η, 7 ζ, 6 ϛ, 5
>> ε, 4 δ, 3 γ, 2 β, 1 α*/
>> }
>>
>> @counter-style greek-upper-ancient {
>>   system: additive;
>>   range: 1 999;
>>   additive-symbols: 900 \3E0, 800 \3A8, 700 \3A7, 600 \3A6, 500 \3A5,
>> 400 \3A4, 300 \3A3, 200 \3A2, 100 \3A1, 90 \3DE, 80 \3A0, 70 \39F,
>> 60 \39E, 50 \39D, 40 \39C, 30 \39B, 20 \39A, 10 \399, 9 \398, 8
>> \397, 7 \396, 6 \3DA, 5 \395, 4 \394, 3 \393, 2 \392, 1 \391
>> /*900 Ϡ, 800 Ω, 700 Ψ, 600 Χ, 500 Φ, 400 Υ, 300 Τ, 200 Σ, 100 Ρ, 90 Ϟ,
>> 80 Π, 70 Ο, 60 Ξ, 50 Ν, 40 Μ, 30 Λ, 20 Κ, 10 Ι, 9 Θ, 8 Η, 7 Ζ, 6 Ϛ, 5
>> Ε, 4 Δ, 3 Γ, 2 Β, 1 Α*/
>> }
>> George Schizas
>> about.me/gschizas
>> George Schizas on about.me
>>
>> <http://about.me/gschizas>
>
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