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Re: [css-cascade] unwinding all: property

From: Sanja Bonic <sanja.bonic@univie.ac.at>
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 20:20:21 +0100
Message-ID: <54E39475.2010600@univie.ac.at>
To: www-style@w3.org
I wholeheartedly agree and that goes in the direction of the thread I 
started on February, 5th: "[css-document-class] defining basic style". 
As I feel I didn't articulate myself well enough, maybe we can talk 
about this issue during the next call.

Certain tags should have an inherent styling, ideally defined by us, so 
they're largely consistent on all UAs. That styling should be more 
indicative of the actual semantics than it is now (for some of the tags).

As Brian said, if someone uses a blockquote, it shouldn't look like 
regular inline text. There should be no obligation for the user to have 
to style certain tags because then the incentive for using semantically 
correct markup isn't there (and that's only one good reason to have a 
basic - or more elaborate - style applied per default by the UA).

Best,
Sanja

On 17-Feb-15 7:36 PM, Brian Kardell wrote:
> Somehow it would appear that I was absent or asleep during earlier
> discussions on this, so apologies for that, but I have an issue with our
> current incarnation of the all property values.
>
> Essentially it boils down to this:  I would be willing to wager my last
> dollar that the vast majority of authors do not understand how the
> browser arrives at how an HTML page is rendered with no author
> stylesheets.  Currently many friends and people that I talk to are
> dismayed or surprised by the behavior having expected it to do something
> more "default" like:
>
> all: user-agent;
>
> and reset back to -that- behavior.  If suddenly the contents of script
> or style tags is displayed, or blockquotes just look like regular inline
> text, that seems to be upside down on the priority of constituencies.
> Currently it's up to them to recreate and define what would have been an
> initially sane group of styles and that seems just wrong.
>
> --
> Brian Kardell :: @briankardell :: hitchjs.com <http://hitchjs.com/>
Received on Tuesday, 17 February 2015 19:20:51 UTC

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