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Re: International List Numbering in the Wild? (was: New name for Predefined Counter Styles doc)

From: Andrew Cunningham <lang.support@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 01:48:14 +1000
Message-ID: <CAGJ7U-U5+HP_JcHYtN-61=8wY3Yym59vqczzfQiqKo7cYGQBuA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Andre Schappo <A.Schappo@lboro.ac.uk>
Cc: www International <www-international@w3.org>, W3C Style <www-style@w3.org>
Hi Andre,

For the languages I work with using internationalised markers has been
problematic. As Tab indicated browser implementations for certain features
is not widespread.

Only a small number of languages have had any wide support across browsers.

To date the best approach has been to use javascript to plug the gap in
browser support, but to date no one has developed an appropriate pollyfill.

At the moment we have been documenting CSS# rules required for one of the
scripts we work with, and this then needs to be translated from English
into target languages before being disseminated more widely in the country
of origin, among developer groups and across social media.


On 17 April 2015 at 00:39, Andre Schappo <A.Schappo@lboro.ac.uk> wrote:

> On 15 Apr 2015, at 17:39, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 2:55 AM, Andre Schappo <A.Schappo@lboro.ac.uk>
> wrote:
> >> As you all know, list-style-type has been around for a long time and
> has made possible the numbering of html list items in scripts such as
> cjk-ideographic, devanagari, tibetan, thai …etc…
> >>
> >> I make extensive use of international list numbering in my blog eg
> list-style-type:cjk-ideographic
> http://schappo.blogspot.co.uk/2012/02/western-brands-on-weibo.html
> >>
> >> There are a number of technical and test sites that explain/demonstrate
> international list numbering and so use international list numbering.
> >>
> >> But … I have never come across any regular websites in the wild using
> international list numbering. I have only ever encountered regular websites
> using the 1,2,3,4,… numbering. I do frequently look at non english websites
> because of my study of IDNs.
> >>
> >> Anybody encountered any regular websites using international list
> numbering? If you have can you please post links as I would like to show
> them to my students (and I would like to see them myself :)). I have only
> ever encountered regular websites using the 1,2,3,4,… numbering.
> >
> > The spec is currently only implemented in Firefox, and only recently,
> > so I wouldn't expect it to be much used in the wild.
> >
> > It should be possible to find examples of the predefined counter
> > styles in the wild, though.  I'll see if I can get ahold of that
> > webdevdata thing (a big zip of lots of web page sources) and grep for
> > some of that.
> >
> > ~TJ
> I subsequently had a look with https://meanpath.com and there seems to be
> very little use of international list numbering in regular websites. I
> searched for various values of list-style-type. Here are (most) of my
> findings using meanpath -
> list-style-type: cjk-ideographic  http://rongsay.info
> list-style-type: hiragana-iroha  http://tarng.com
> list-style-type: katakana-iroha  http://トータルサービス事件.jp
> <http://xn--vckiq9a7c4hved9129du4a.jp>
> list-style-type: hiragana  http://namakajiri.net
> list-style-type: armenian  http://www.displayart.cn
> list-style-type: persian  http://totp.ir
> ln many websites I found list-style-type declarations in the source code
> but when I viewed the website I could not find (easily) actual usage
> Tab Atkins Jr:maybe you will find more usage than I have found
> André Schappo

Andrew Cunningham
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