- From: Dael Jackson <daelcss@gmail.com>
- Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 14:52:20 -0400
- To: www-style@w3.org
Survey of All the Specs
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- The group took some time to go over every spec both for good
housekeeping and to work toward meeting the new heartbeat
requirement from W3C
(http://www.w3.org/2014/Process-20140801/#three-month-rule).
- CSS3 Linebox has an outstanding resolution to publish an update
- CSS Generated and Replaced Content is getting stripped down and
will pull in GCPM generated content bits before being
republished by fantasai, dauwhe, and maybe TabAtkins
- CSS TV Profile 1.0 will be made into a note
- CSS Presentation Levels will be made into a note
- CSS Reader Media Type will become a rescinded note
- CSS Hyperlink Presentation Module will become a rescinded note
- CSS Basic Box Module will become be republished with an obnoxious
note of instability pointing to CSS2.1 as the normative spec.
- CSS Grid Positioning is an erroneous link as it was superseded
by Grid Layout
- BECSS will become a rescinded note
- CSS Marquee will become a rescinded note
- CSS Mobile Profile 2.0 will be made into a note
- CSS Multi-column Layout is still alive and well, it just needs
more work and tests
- CSS Device Adaptation is on hold waiting until we hear back from
others not at the meeting
- CSS Template Layout
- RESOLVED: CSS Template Module becomes actively-developed Note
- CSS3 UI
- RESOLVED: Add TabAtkins as editor of css3-ui
- CSS Positioned Layout will wait until we hear from ArronEi
- CSS Speech is fine, but just waiting for a better test suite.
People are implementing it, though.
- CSS Image Values Level 3 will be edited and republished by
fantasai and TabAtkins
- Fullscreen
- RESOLVED: CSSWG thinks Fullscreen should move to a Note
referencing the WHATWG spec
- CSS Images Level 4 will stay as a WD, no republication until
something to republish
- CSS Sizing Module is being actively edited
- CSS Animations will be republished in the next three months by
sylvaing
- CSS Paged Media 3
- RESOLVED: add dauwhe as editor
- CSS Conditional Rules is just in need of a few more tests to
fill in the gaps
- CSS Overflow Module is active, just doesn't need publishing yet
- Selectors Level 4 is active, just doesn't need publishing yet
- Box Alignment Module L3 is active, just doesn't need publishing
yet
- CSS Exclusions is active, just doesn't need publishing yet
- CSS Values and Units is almost ready, but needs some
word-smithing
- Text Decoration 3 is active, just doesn't need publishing yet
- DOMMATRIX will become a rescinded note
- CSS Fonts is active, just doesn't need publishing yet
- CSS Scoping needs to incorporate outstanding edits, be
republished
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Scribe: fantasai
Survey of All the Specs
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Bert: I added this topic for 2 reasons.
Bert: Good a idea to go over out specs, especially the very old
ones, let people know what we think of them currently.
Bert: Also, new process has new heartbeat requirement.
Bert: The old requirement was WG publishes something every 3 months
Bert: The new one is every spec gets published at least once every
6 months.
hober: If we parked all of them as notes, we wouldn't have to
publish them every 6 months?
hober: If they die if we don't update, which ones should we
convert into notes?
dbaron: I'd like to note that the Process doesn't prescribe a
punishment for failing the heartbeat requirement.
<dbaron> list in http://wiki.csswg.org/planning/sophia-2014
CSS3 Linebox
- Replaced by css-inline
- dauwhe will republish as css-inline
- Already have a WG resolution to publish an update
CSS Generated and Replaced Content
- Getting stripped down, pull in GCPM generated content bits,
republished by fantasai, dauwhe, and maybe TabAtkins
CSS TV Profile 1.0
- Nobody cares
- Make it a note
ACTION Bert Turn CSS TV Profile 1.0 into a note.
<trackbot> Created ACTION-640
CSS Presentation Levels
ACTION Bert Turn CSS Presentation Levels into a Note
<trackbot> Created ACTION-641
SteveZ: In status section say "This is no longer active, and no
further work is planned at this time."
plinss: We should wordsmith something.
hober: In a couple other WGs, Notes have been gutted.
hober: Like, the status was there, but the contents were removed.
hober: To prevent accidental referencing.
fantasai: I totally agree with that for things we want to rescind.
But these two should probably keep their contents.
CSS Reader Media Type
- Gutted.
ACTION Bert Turn CSS Reader Media Type into a rescinded Note,
remove all contents other than status.
<trackbot> Created ACTION-642
CSS Hyperlink Presentation Module
- discussion of what to do with this
- some interest in doing some kind of hyperlinking but unlikely
to be as described here
- Considering gutting this version, and then resurrecting if
necessary with new spec.
- Gutted.
ACTION Bert Turn CSS Hyperlinks into a rescinded Note, remove
all contents other than status.
<trackbot> Created ACTION-643
CSS Basic Box Module
Bert: Still want to work on that, I think Anton wanted to work
on box tree stuff.
fantasai: What's there is severely out of date, and shouldn't be
referenced.
hober: Who would work on it?
Bert: Me, but very slowly.
Bert: Editor's draft as-is is not publishable.
TabAtkins: Can we republish the current WD with a warning
notice?
fantasai: Should have one of the really obnoxious ones, that's
fixed-positioned, and points to CSS2.1 as most
referenceable up-to-date version of box model
ACTION Bert: Republish css3-box with obnoxious note pointing to
CSS2.1
<trackbot> Created ACTION-644
CSS Grid Positioning
- This was merged into CSS Grid Layout, seems like TR listing is
broken
ACTION Bert Sort out TR listing of css3-grid, which was
superseded by css-grid-layout
<trackbot> Created ACTION-645
BECSS
- ACTION Bert BECSS republished as gutted note
<trackbot> Created ACTION-646
CSS Marquee
ACTION Bert CSS Marquee republished as gutted note
<trackbot> Created ACTION-647
CSS Mobile Profile 2.0
ACTION Bert Republish Mobile Profile as (regular) Note
<trackbot> Created ACTION-648
CSS Multi-column Layout
<dbaron> http://test.csswg.org/suites/css-multicol-1_dev/nightly-unstable/html4/toc.htm
<dbaron> heartbeat requirement is in
http://www.w3.org/2014/Process-20140801/#three-month-rule
fantasai: I think we should just leave this one alone. It's in
CR. We don't want to rescind it. It's not out-of-date.
It needs work, but we have nothing to publish.
dbaron: The 6 months clock does not start until it's republished
under the new process
fantasai: So we should leave it alone, with its current old date
(which indicates that nobody's looked at it recently)
- discussion of tests
- florian thinks there's some tests somewhere
- No action on this one
CSS Device Adaptation
Rossen: Wasn't this where we were going to put device-pixel-
ratio?
fantasai: device-pixel-ratio is a Media Queries
Rossen: Yeah but the zoom stuff, etc.
fantasai: Yes.
Rossen: We have lots of different zooms, highDPI, etc. This was
the spec to host all of this.
Rossen: Perhaps the editors want to ...?
ACTION spieters Bug Rune about CSS Device Adaptation spec, what
to do about it
<trackbot> Created ACTION-649
CSS Template Layout
Bert: I want to work on it, but you won't let me.
florian: I'm interested in working on CSS Device Adaptation...
but I don't have a plan for it.
Bert: Last time I asked to publish a WD, WG wouldn't let me.
TabAtkins: Because it was gratuitously different from Grid.
Bert: Some overlap,
glazou: Is any implementor interested in implementing this?
fantasai: I think the parts that duplicate grid should be
removed from this draft. Bert has been exploring how
to integrate grid, ..., ..., and ...
plinss: ... page template work. I think this should be a note,
actively worked on.
plinss: At some point we may rejigger other things and put into
this spec.
TabAtkins: I'm good with more exploration, with this as a Note
RESOLVED: CSS Template Module becomes actively-developed Note
CSS3 UI
TabAtkins: Tantek's not doing anything... was planning on taking
it over.
[discussion of appearance]
TabAtkins: You can implement -webkit-appearance
gregwhitworth: we already did
RESOLVED: Add TabAtkins as editor of css3-ui
- We'll republish once there's something reasonably to republish
CSS Positioned Layout
TabAtkins: who's editing?
Rossen. ArronEi left MSFT
SteveZ: Ask about Arron's involvement? Should move to previous
editor?
TabAtkins: Or he might have more time to edit as Invited Expert
than as MSFT employee
CSS Speech
plinss: Should update the status section and republish?
SteveZ: No work has gone on, still waiting for adequate test
suite, say how many months, and that's an adequate
status update
glazou: Let me ping dweck
fantasai: We should just leave it in CR, not republish as note
fantasai: We're still recommending that people implement it.
fantasai: Just don't have implementations yet
CSS Image Values Level 3
fantasai: We need to make edits and republish anyway.
- fantasai and Tab to edit and publish
Fullscreen
SimonSapin: There's a WHATWG spec.
TabAtkins: Propose gutted note with reference to WHATWG spec.
hober: It's a joint publication with WebApps, so we have to ask
them.
ACTION hober Deal with Fullscreen
<trackbot> Created ACTION-650
RESOLVED: CSSWG thinks Fullscreen should move to a Note as
described above
CSS Images Level 4
- keep it as WD, no republication until something to republish
CSS Sizing Module
TabAtkins: We need to review/update/republish
- fantasai and TabAtkins actively editing, will be handled later
CSS Animations
- republish as WD
- when sylvaing is ready
- active under sylvaing
- should publish next 3 months
CSS Paged Media 3
RESOLVED: add dauwhe as editor
SimonSapin: I’m not gonna work on it this year.
- fantasai and dauwhe to incorporate GCPM bits, overall
update/outstanding edits, republish
CSS Conditional Rules
dbaron: In CR
dbaron: Trying to figure out how much of a test suite we have
right now.
dbaron: I think it has a pretty decent number of tests...87 tests
dbaron: It's not a huge spec.
plinss: A lot of those are multi-test script tests.
dbaron: Could use more tests, but has a decent suite.
glazou: It's implemented anyway.
plinss: I think his point is the test suite isn't quite ready
for PR.
dbaron: If someone sits down for a day and looks at coverage,
fills in gaps, should be ready for PR.
plinss: Can we action someone to do that?
dbaron: I can look into it
CSS Overflow Module
plinss: Talked about working on that paragraph of paged media
etc.
glazou: It's been 18 months since FPWD.
fantasai: Nothing to publish right now, but it's active.
Selectors Level 4
TabAtkins: Want to republish soon, will be working on that
Box Alignment Module L3
TabAtkins: We intend to republish soon
fantasai: We just have to finish up baseline alignment
CSS Exclusions
Rossen: Keeping this one active
Rossen: At the very least, we need to convert to bikeshed.
florian: 230 tests from Opera on multi-column layout, by the way.
CSS Values and Units
- In CR
- Keep
fantasai: I think we need to republish that one, too.
fantasai: There's some word-smithing needed on <custom-ident>,
rest of DoC is green.
Text Decoration 3
- CR
fantasai: No issues filed
- Keep it
DOMMATRIX
ACTION Bert Republish DOMMATRIX as gutted note, replaced by
Geometry Interfaces
<trackbot> Created ACTION-651
CSS Fonts
ChrisL: jdaggett resurfaced recently
- In CR. No worries
[going quickly through the rest, since they're recent]
fantasai: We need to republish Scoping. We have outstanding edits
to do from the last F2F
glazou: We've exhausted the agenda
<sgalineau> meant to ask to republish a css-animations WD as soon
as meeting resolutions are edited; looks like this is
covered.
dbaron: Why is the Encoding spec in our WG???
Bert: WG that published it asked for the CSS keyword to be added
to the metadata.
[End of Meeting]
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