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Re: [css-device-adapt] Avoid referring to Desktop

From: Rune Lillesveen <rune@opera.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 16:08:43 +0200
Message-ID: <CANz6XvSAp5vLM2duxHs0+uP+-eDizvTCXzsCuHdSkLXMGT8uFw@mail.gmail.com>
To: Kenneth Rohde Christiansen <kenneth.christiansen@gmail.com>
Cc: www-style list <www-style@w3.org>, John Mellor <johnme@chromium.org>, Rick Byers <rbyers@chromium.org>, "Kostiainen, Anssi" <anssi.kostiainen@intel.com>
On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Kenneth Rohde Christiansen
<kenneth.christiansen@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 2:34 PM, Rune Lillesveen <rune@opera.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Kenneth Rohde Christiansen
>> <kenneth.christiansen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi there,
>>> I believe it is better to avoid referring to "desktop" in the CSS
>>> Device Adaptation spec. I suggest the following change to
>>> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-device-adapt/#desktop-ua-styles-

I've incorporated your proposed text now.

>>> Traditional user agents, used mostly on desktop and laptop computers,
>>> can easily be resized to fit most websites inside the initial viewport
>>> without breaking layout or adding scrollbars. Using the below
>> I'd remove "or adding scrollbars", since adding scrollbars is common,
>> at least a vertical one.
> OK, I don't mind


>>> recommendations, sites not adding any @viewport rules themselves will
>>> continue to look and function like they have always.
>> "have always" -> "always have"?
> Sure.


>>> 13.1. Large screen UA styles
>>> For browsers with default viewport size large enough to fit common
>> "default viewport size" is not defined. "initial viewport size"?
> initial, it is


>>> websites without breaking the layout, or which can easily to resized
>>> to do so, the recommendation is to have no UA styles. That means that
>>> it will have all descriptors initially set to ‘auto’, and behave as it
>>> would have without support for viewport descriptors if there are no
>>> viewport descriptors in the user or author styles.
>> That last sentence was really hard to read. I wrote it, I know :-)
>> I'll try to make it better.

Cropped it.

>>> For browsers which support changing orientation, and the portrait mode
>>> breaks this the above, it is recommended to set a minimum layout
>>> width, equal to that of the width in landscape mode.
>> I don't think this is necessary. Setting min-width in the UA styles,
>> leaving max-width as auto, will extend the width to the initial
>> viewport width if it's wider than min-width.
> I think it would be good as we heard from John Mellor et al, that they
> actually though about this and the solution wasn't immediate obvious
> to them.


Rune Lillesveen
Received on Friday, 11 October 2013 14:09:15 UTC

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