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Re: Positive news (was: Re: [css-ui] Agenda request: Revive directional focus navigation properties

From: Giuseppe Pascale <giuseppep@opera.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 21:55:59 +0200
To: "Stephen Zilles" <szilles@adobe.com>, "Vickers, Mark" <Mark_Vickers@cable.comcast.com>
Cc: "Philipp Hoschka" <ph@w3.org>, "Leif Arne Storset" <lstorset@opera.com>, Tantek Çelik <tantek@cs.stanford.edu>, "www-style@w3.org" <www-style@w3.org>, "public-web-and-tv@w3.org IG" <public-web-and-tv@w3.org>
Message-ID: <op.wyztnlvs6ugkrk@giuseppep-x220>
On Thu, 20 Jun 2013 21:15:53 +0200, Vickers, Mark  
<Mark_Vickers@cable.comcast.com> wrote:

> OK, great! So, how can the IG help get the test cases done? This would  
> be a new task for the IG, but I think it would make sense.

This was discussed during the call (the minutes should be available soon  
on the css wg list), but to summarize: Opera has promised to provide test  
cases for this feature.

Of course, the more the better, so if anybody has tests to contribute they  
are welcome!

> Guiseppe: Is there an Opera version for the Mac/PC with the APIs to code  
> against?

recent Opera versions (presto based) support this, just keep shift pressed  
and then arrow keys. Also our TV emulator support this.

For more info please check the discussion thread on www-style, there are  
link to demo pages and to emulators that support this feature.


> Thanks,
> mav
> On Jun 20, 2013, at 12:00 PM, Stephen Zilles <szilles@adobe.com>
>  wrote:
>> Mark,
>> The accessibility point was raised in the CSS discussion on the topic.  
>> The plan was never to eliminate the feature, but to move it to CSS UI  
>> 4.  CSS UI 3 is in CR and needs to get out. That is why the test cases  
>> are so significant.
>> Steve Zilles
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Vickers, Mark [mailto:Mark_Vickers@cable.comcast.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 11:47 AM
>> To: Philipp Hoschka
>> Cc: Leif Arne Storset; Tantek Çelik; Giuseppe Pascale;  
>> www-style@w3.org; public-web-and-tv@w3.org IG
>> Subject: Re: Positive news (was: Re: [css-ui] Agenda request: Revive  
>> directional focus navigation properties
>> That's good. FYI, I'd also think that these APIs would be of interest  
>> for certain accessibility devices which need UDLR navigation, but I'd  
>> defer to the accessibility experts on that.
>> On Jun 20, 2013, at 5:07 AM, Philipp Hoschka <ph@w3.org>
>> wrote:
>>> From what I understand, the decision for delaying those properties has  
>>> been overturned.
>>> They'll stay in css 3 ui but will still be marked at risk.
>>> Tests will be contributed within a month.
>>> Good thing that the TV community made their voice heard
>>> On 6/19/2013 5:04 PM, Leif Arne Storset wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 09:11:13 +0200, Giuseppe Pascale  
>>>> <giuseppep@opera.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 17:36:18 +0200, Tantek Çelik  
>>>>> <tantek@cs.stanford.edu> wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 6:28 AM, Leif Arne Storset  
>>>>>> <lstorset@opera.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Opera wants to revive CSS3 Basic User Interface's directional
>>>>>>> focus navigation properties: nav-up, nav-down, nav-right, nav-left
>>>>>>> [0]. I'd like to get a resolution for that on Wednesday's telcon.
>>>>>> Glad to hear that Opera is willing to put time and effort into
>>>>>> advancing directional nav.
>>>>>> However, I don't know of any new information that merits any new
>>>>>> discussion of this topic.
>>>>>> See below for details/questions.
>>>>>>> Reasons: there are several implementations (Presto-based Opera and
>>>>>>> WebKit-based Samsung and LG browsers), they are in active use,
>>>>>> Are any of these downloadable / testable on the open web?
>>>>>> URLs to simulator downloads etc.?
>>>>> Our simulator are freely available
>>>>> http://business.opera.com/solutions/tv/emulator
>>>> The Smart TV Alliance also has an emulator based on WebKit:
>>>> http://www.smarttv-alliance.org/Markets/Developers.aspx
>>>> It's available for Mac, Windows and Ubuntu Linux. (Note that
>>>> VirtualBox should be installed first; then the emulator will show up
>>>> in its console. You don't need to start Eclipse to use it.)
>>>>> Opera have had support for it in presto for quite some time, just
>>>>> try the test below with any 12.x (use shift+arrows)
>>>>> http://miketaylr.com/pres/framsia/spatnav.html
>>>>> Finally there are plenty of TVs in the shops in europe that support  
>>>>> it.

Giuseppe Pascale
Product Manager TV & Connected Devices
Opera Software
Received on Thursday, 20 June 2013 19:56:45 UTC

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