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Re: [css3-grid-layout] Alternative Grid Layout proposal

From: fantasai <fantasai.lists@inkedblade.net>
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 15:52:08 -0700
Message-ID: <508F0898.8050008@inkedblade.net>
To: www-style@w3.org
On 09/03/2012 06:24 PM, Linss, Peter wrote:
> During the San Diego F2F I was tasked to come up with an alternative proposal for grid layout. This is addressing two issues, the first being preserving the concept of named grid lines (and harmonizing those names with the names in the grid template syntax). I believe the level of indirection between grid lines and grid items is extremely valuable. The second issue is my opinion that the current direction of the grid layout module has become narrowly focused on the task of application UI layout and is not providing the kind of behavior typically expected from traditional typographic layout grids. I feel the current draft is more reminiscent of tables or 2D flexbox than a typographic grid layout paradigm.
> To that end, here is my proposal. I believe it's compatible with all the capabilities of the existing grid layout proposal, while also allowing a more flexible usage more in keeping with traditional page layout.

I think it's great that you've thought through all of this, but I have some
problems with your model:

  a) The grid is logical, not physical. It can't use top/left/bottom/right
     for positioning.
  b) The 'position' property in CSS specifies a positioning scheme, not an
     actual position,  so it feels inappropriate for it to take a position
     now. More significantly, the 'position' property cannot now be turned
     into a shorthand that resets top/left/bottom/right, as it has never
     done so before.

There's also the fundamental issue of a snap-to-grid model, in which content
is in-flow but shifts to align to the grid lines (like the line grid), and a
fit-grid-to-content model, in which the content determines the position of
grid lines. I cannot see how they can co-exist in an interactive way.

Also in a snap-to-grid model, you want to specify which edges (margin,
border, padding, or content) snap to the grid, not just which sides snap
to which grid lines. There are some ideas about that in the line-grid draft,
but it's not a problem you are solving here.

That said, I think it's possible to bring in your line-based view as the
addressing model for the current grid layout model. To do that, you'd want
   1. Introduce grid-start/end/etc. properties in place of the current
      -position/-span properties.
   2. Define, as you suggest, the grid template to implicitly define a
      series of named lines, and allow the grid-positioning properties
      to accept those names as values, with appropriate shorthanding.
   3. Figure out some way of representing, in each grid-line assignment,
      either exact line coordinates or a span (perhaps restricted to a
      particular line class) from the opposite side.

Then this becomes mostly a syntax problem on top of the existing grid
layout model.

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