- From: Martin J. Dürst <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>
- Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 15:30:32 +0900
- To: Koji Ishii <kojiishi@gluesoft.co.jp>
- CC: Glenn Adams <glenn@skynav.com>, "Tab Atkins Jr." <jackalmage@gmail.com>, Asmus Freytag <asmusf@ix.netcom.com>, MURAKAMI Shinyu <murakami@antenna.co.jp>, Sylvain Galineau <sylvaing@microsoft.com>, "liam@w3.org" <liam@w3.org>, koba <koba@antenna.co.jp>, "www-style@w3.org" <www-style@w3.org>, fantasai <fantasai.lists@inkedblade.net>, "public-i18n-cjk@w3.org" <public-i18n-cjk@w3.org>
I think you should definitely add Liam's proposals for property names (block-before, inline-after,...). Regards, Martin. On 2012/10/12 15:06, Koji Ishii wrote: > +1 to discuss again, although I don't think they're new information. Head/tail has some semantic problems not only in Japanese but globally because of its ambiguity as Liam pointed out, and that was already identified in my understanding. > > But it's true that more perspectives were provided at ML than we discussed at conf call. So far, opinions we see are: > > 1A. before/after are hard to understand > 1B. not hard to understand > > 2A. before/after needs to memorize which axis it indicates > 2B. head/tail doesn't better describe axis, should use other terminologies if this is the motivation > > 3A. Against any changes because of backward compatibility with XSL-FO and TTML > 3B. terminology changes are ok as long as models are compatible > 3C. the compatibility is lower priority than improving > > 4A. Split logical directions as it is too controversial at this point and the demand is lower than other features in writing-modes > 4B. splitting doesn't make sense > > Did I miss any opinions? > > > Regards, > Koji > > ---------- > From: Glenn Adams [mailto:glenn@skynav.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 9:10 PM > To: Tab Atkins Jr. > Cc: Koji Ishii; Asmus Freytag; MURAKAMI Shinyu; Sylvain Galineau; "Martin J. Dürst"; liam@w3.org; koba; www-style@w3.org; fantasai; public-i18n-cjk@w3.org > Subject: Re: [css3-writing-modes] css-logical (was before/after terminology alternative? > > > On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Tab Atkins Jr.<jackalmage@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Glenn Adams<glenn@skynav.com> wrote: >> Due to my own fault, I failed to object at the time the WG made that >> resolution. At this point, I will need to raise an FO unless it can be >> agreed to revert that earlier decision. Which is easier? Doing an FO process >> or reverting? > Given that you'll apparently object to Koji's suggested compromise as > well, it doesn't matter very much. > > I would like to remind that we have at least two new pieces of information that weren't available when the WG made its resolution: > > (1) evidence that head/tail has some semantic problems in Japanese; > (2) evidence of a prior expressed intent to maintain or enhance a single underlying formatting model between CSS, XSL-FO, and (by extension) other specs that derive from these (e.g., TTML); > > Given this new information, I would suggest we put the question back on the table at the upcoming F2F to attempt to obtain a final, acceptable resolution.
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