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RE: Initial values for widows and orphans

From: Sylvain Galineau <sylvaing@microsoft.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 02:05:15 +0000
To: fantasai <fantasai.lists@inkedblade.net>, "www-style@w3.org" <www-style@w3.org>
Message-ID: <3C4041FF83E1E04A986B6DC50F0178291BEC43C3@TK5EX14MBXC222.redmond.corp.microsoft.com>

> I'm not opposed to changing the initial value to 1. I think it would make
> more sense actually. But existing implementations would have to change,
> and there are several. For Web content, the rule above is equivalent to
> changing the initial value. [1] So there's a question of which is a better
> way of solving the compat issue.

An 'auto' value allows existing implementation to preserve their current 
behavior i.e. we wouldn't break the rendering of their content. 
> I'll note also that IE and Opera both implement these properties, and
> nobody on either team has requested a change in the initial value.

Doesn't prove there isn't a problem. Only that we haven't tested this as
Apple did, or with the same content.

> However it seems Microsoft thinks 0 is a valid value and is the initial
> value:

The latter could explain the former; it also suggests that while there
is support there might not be interop yet.

>    http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ie/cc304062%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
> I haven't checked Opera. Other implementations include PrinceXML, Antenna
> House, WeasyPrint, Web2PDF, and various less well-known ones.

No objection from me to testing what's out there. I think we should gather
that info and then come up with a solution vs. going for a UA stylesheet hack.

Dean, can you share URLs to some of the content you've seen breaking when

> [1] Unless you put :root { widows: inherit; orphans: inherit; } in
>      your style sheet for some reason, but no sane or insane web
>      developer would do that, only a layout QA would.
Please do not tempt the web with a good time.
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