- From: Håkon Wium Lie <howcome@opera.com>
- Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 12:01:33 +0200
- To: "MURATA Makoto (FAMILY Given)" <eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp>
- Cc: John Daggett <jdaggett@mozilla.com>, www-style@w3.org
Also sprach MURATA Makoto (FAMILY Given):
> To me, some of the proposals from important members of the
> CSS WG is based on poor understanding of the requirements.
> I have already explained why :lang does not work
> in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2010May/0668.html
where you wrote:
> > To me, it seems that both the proposed alternatives fulfill this
> > requirement. In Alt 1, which relies on language codes, one can write:
>
> :lang(ja) { ... }
> :lang(en) { ... }
>
> This certainly fails because different Japanese paragarphs within
> a single document have different writing directions.
It's trivial to extend the example to take this into account. E.g.:
:lang(ja) { writing-mode: tb-rl }
:lang(ja) table { writing-mode: lr-tb }
:lang(en) { writing-mode: lr-tb }
This would allow you to express your preferences for writing
directions, if not provide graceful degradation in all cases.
> To be clear, I have never made broad assertions against those who
> criticize the margin-start, etc. proposal. I did make such
> assertions against those who raise counter proposals based on poor
> understanding of the requirement or the dir attribute.
I think you're underestimating your peers in this forum.
> > Other than graceful fallback are there other reasons you feel logical
> > properties are required?
>
> This is the biggest reason.
That's good to know.
> > A lot of folks at browser companies are spending time and effort to
> > make typography better on the web. If a proposed change requires a lot
> > of work and doesn't really solve underlying problems completely, why not
> > consider a different approach that does a better job?
>
> A different approach is fine, but :lang is broken and :ttb is extremely
> doubtful.
I think you're disregarding other proposals too quickly, with too
strong words, before the proposals have been developed.
All proposals needs discussion and development, that's what this list
is for.
Cheers,
-h&kon
Håkon Wium Lie CTO °þe®ª
howcome@opera.com http://people.opera.com/howcome
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