- From: Eric A. Meyer <eric@meyerweb.com>
- Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 14:24:08 -0400
- To: www-style@w3.org
At 7:28 PM +0200 7/9/10, Anton Prowse wrote:
>Eric A. Meyer wrote:
>>>> then there will be a lot more reluctance to use vendor prefixes.
>
>> At 8:32 AM -0700 7/9/10, Boris Zbarsky wrote:
>>> Why?
>> Because the perception becomes one of instability. It doesn't
>>have to make logical sense. If I stood in front of a room of
>>people and explained that prefixed properties are in-progress and
>>can change, there might be grumbling but they can deal with that.
>>If I then state the prefixed properties will be completely
>>unrecognized in the future, the immediate and overwhelming reaction
>>would be, "Why the hell are you wasting my time telling me about
>>something that will by design stop working? I can't use that!"
>
>I'll play devil's advocate and ask, why can't they use it?
In this case, "I can't use it!" is another way of saying "I won't
use that!" Which is a problem, in my opinion, since it reduces the
pool of experimenters and testers.
>Firefox 4
>will probably introduce several new behaviours that won't work for the
>sites that authors are building today, either.
Yes, I've seen the :visited changes, which I think swing the
pendulum much too far the other way-- but as Alton Brown would say,
that's a different show.
>Your point seems to be
>that once an author has embarked on exploiting a particular behaviour
>(eg achieving a box shadow through pure CSS) then they have the right to
> expect that that behaviour be always available.
I think it's a natural assumption, personally. And it's one I've
seen throughout other people's writing and conversations about using
prefixes.
>If my site uses -moz-box-shadow today in Firefox 3.5 and 3.6 but fails
>to get any box shadow in Firefox 4 because it fails to support
>-moz-box-shadow, then tough luck for me.
To me, that plan is needlessly author-hostile. Of course, with
things as splintered as they are now, it's possibly the the least
hostile we could be to authors. With less splintering, or even a
formalized way of using prefixes, we could drop that hostility and
gain a few advantages in the bargain.
>Web authors tend to be highly experimental and so I don't
>think we should automatically assume that prefixed properties will be
>ignored.
Not 100% ignored, but much less used. I think it's only common
sense to expect that.
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Eric A. Meyer (eric@meyerweb.com) http://meyerweb.com/
Received on Friday, 9 July 2010 18:24:50 UTC