- From: Christian Hujer <cher@riedquat.de>
- Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 15:59:52 +0200
- To: www-style@w3.org
- Message-Id: <200905171559.57921.cher@riedquat.de>
Hello community, when playing around with the proprietary -moz-column* implementations of [CSS3COL] I experienced behaviour of columns regarding floats which I did not expect. Situation / Reference Example (uses CSS3 + an ECMAScript to add -moz*-properties for Gecko): <http://www.riedquat.de/blog/2009-03-14-01> features multi column layout and floating images in a layout with CSS-based "frames". Seamonkey or Firefox render two columns and, depending on the version, either many columns (two visible) and horizontal scrollbar or two columns and vertical scrollbar. Issue 1: Overflow - add columns to the right or to the bottom? What is correct in that case, overflow additional columns to the right or overflow the height of columns to the bottom? From [CSS3COL] "9. Overflow and multi-column elements" - "A constrained column-height. [...]" I conclude that it is overflow additional columns to the right. I wish [CSS3COL] would give me a hint on how to control the overflow in a way that in that particular case (container with overflow:scroll) - is it overflow-y:scroll; + overflow-x:auto; or something else? Issue 2: Overflow of floats From [CSS3COL] "9. Overflow and multi-column elements" I conclude, that a float block that is exceeding the bottom of a column will overflow that column. I see no hint that a page-break-inside property will prevent the float from overflowing the column and move the float to the next column instead. Does it? I think this is an experience for authors and users which could improve. For illustrative and decorative floats, the position in the document usually is a hint for the best possible position, but not a dogma. As an author, I would like to have a way of specifying to the user agent, that my float position was not dogmatic but it may choose an alternative position close to the original position. Alternatives might be: * Align the float with the top of the next column. * Move the block that contains the float to the next column. * Align the float with the bottom of this column. I would like to see a possibility to specify a handling of the float block similar to that of [CSS3GCPM]. Improving flow: Ideally I would be able to specify that my image should not be cropped or clipped or so. I would like to be able to include images around which text flows and which can span more than 1 column, ideally either with a size that I specify or a number of columns which I wish they could span. Spanning multiple columns should be done by allowing fractions and percentages in column-span. Note that the gap must be taken into account, which means that width:150% is not the same as column-span:150%. I suggest floor(column-span + left) as formula. That way, a left-aligned column-span of 150% would mean that the width is 1.5 * column-width + 1 * gap-width, a left-aligned column-span of 225% would mean that the width is 2.25 * column-width + 2 * gap-width. A left:50% column-span of 100% would mean 1 * column-width + 1 * gap-width. This probably is exactly what authors would want in that case. Improving positioning: When I place a float object (e.g. image) in multi-column text, the position inherited from the document probably is nothing more than the "suggestion for the best case in possible". Of course, the user agent should not deviate from that without being instructed to do so. Such an instruction could be made similar to [CSS3GCPM]. I do not yet have further ideas for that, though. Maybe "page-break-inside:avoid;" resp., if it would be available, "column-break-inside:avoid;" for a float-element would force the float-element and maybe its container to the next column. That alone already could be very helpful. If that is the case, maybe the spec should be clear about that. References: [CSS3COL] <http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-css3-multicol-20070606/> [CSS3GCPM] <http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-css3-gcpm-20060919/#page-based> Kind regards -- . Christian Hujer mailto:cher@riedquat.de http://www.riedquat.de/ ..: PGP Fingerprint: 09EB 64CC 578F 5DFD 2FD5 36E5 072B 32FE 391B C25A Random fortune: In the force if Yoda's so strong, construct a sentence with words in the proper order then why can't he?
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