- From: fantasai <fantasai.lists@inkedblade.net>
- Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 23:27:23 -0700
- To: www-style@w3.org
Upcoming Meetings ----------------- tpac is 2-3 nov 2009 SteveZ: are we meeting the sunday as well? (no) (we look at march 2010) dbaron: time for a north american meeting ChrisL: www2010 is 26-30 april in raleigh <ChrisL> http://www2010.org/www/ Daniel: yes but we need a meeting in between (hakon offers oslo in february, to laughter) (brainstorming on dates and locations. speculation as to tpac 2010 site and date) proposed: bay area in march, several hosting possibilities, easy for peter linss to get to Daniel: after 8 march Sylvain: sxsw etc overlaps dbaron: sxsw is mar 12-16 Molly: crazy week, mix right after proposed: 22-24 march, bay area adobe, mozilla as possible hosts <jdaggett> proposed: apple hosts hakon proposes oslo in august or june howcome: the more meetings, the lower the attendance SteveZ: perfer to avoid 16 18-20 August 2010, Oslo and then see about tpac <dbaron> I just updated http://www.w3.org/Style/Group/meetings.html with "(tentative)" entries for the two meetings we just planned. Somebody else should check I got everything right, though. <ChrisL> yup, looks good role of molly, liaison, use cases, website ------------------------------------------ Molly: we had jason teague, did a lot of work, and it was put aside and lost momentum Molly: bert did some work but we lost the information architecture Molly: so would like to project manage that to bring to fruition fantasai: that would be great Bert: want to keep existing links and names of pages (cool links don't break) Bert: thought i used the structure fantasai: layout but not the information architecture Bert: public pages, i'm responsible and have to be maintainable Bert: and chris as well Bert: so don't want to learn new tools Bert: have some make scripts, eg for translations Bert: structure, what did I do wrong there? Bert posts a link Bert: this is a temporary page and will go away Bert: trimmed out links to other w3c groups Bert: also made top left menu shorter fantasai: news and current work are very long , unstructured. Our design had a structure, not just the page but the whole site. fantasai: set up a structure to understand the site. but this is a huge long list fantasai: jasons draft did not have the long lists Bert: oh, i didn't use his latest work, didn't like it fantasai: propose that we take berts draft and rearrange the content to have the current work in a smaller or secondary page Molly: needs to be clear and simple with links to further information fantasai: drowned in long list of news items SteveZ: keep top 3 Molly: replace current work with an intro, link to more details (discussion on whether the design is too big) Molly: its a current design trend, big and bold Molly: boxes need to be smaller, to the point. this is designer/developer outreach, not for coders Molly: Ilike richard ishidas site, very clean Molly: this may be a bit over designed jdaggett: just needs itghtening to a higher information density Bert: ok, that would be easy, trimming news items, replacing table with an intro fantasai: in our design, little boxes to introduce topics fantasai: actual sections, not random links. need to impose a structure <jdaggett> jdaggett: many thumbs up for this... fantasai: and navigation header represents these topics across all subpages Molly: just presenting the material well. tighten up and match the information to the audience and a consistent navigation scheme throughout fantasai: so I suggest I work with molly to show bert what we mean Bert: top bar has three items as well as the home page SteveZ: want a quick way to see whats on *this* page SteveZ: lots below the fold ChrisL: maybe tabs to give an overview fantasai: so small boxes, if its short you can see the whole thing at a glance Molly: good info, but does not all belong on home page Molly: so elika and i will work on that and i can manage this Molly: people expect more of w3c in terms of usable information Molly: which brings us to community outreach and liaison Molly: to drive traffic we need attractive resources, then use twitter Molly: its our relationship to the world Molly: fundamental, and missing Molly: social networking can enhance this and I want to work on that. developers want to be more involved, but designers find it hard to track whats going on jdaggett: is this really aimed at content developers? jdaggett: desigers spend a lot of time on edge cases caused by poor interop Bert: there is the blog as well Daniel: demo pages Daniel: want to see demo pages for new stuff, with an explanation below. short articles Molly: showing use of features, best practices Molly: community liaison is what I am best at Daniel: template with container elements SteveZ: so what happens if the browser does not implement the feature? <Bert> http://www.w3.org/Style/Examples/011/firstcss <Bert> http://www.w3.org/Style/Examples/007/ Molly: understanding of css is still very low. need to teach the current stuff as well as the upcoming stuff SteveZ: sure, but want to see a screen cap as well to show what it should look like Molly: or video Daniel: example, using :target to do tabs Bert: the links above are some of the most popoular pages Bert: need something between absolute beginners and expert level Molly: in colleges people are learning products like dreamweaver, not standards. show what they need to know now wnd what is coming later jdaggett: we have decided to move modules forward independently so there is no css3 jdaggett: the outside world sees it as a monolithic entity and wonders where it is Molly: educators need to find a new terminology that is consistent with the module structure Molly: educators and evangelists need materials to work with Molly: its a bunch of pieces, not a versioning system ChrisL: key message is the relevance of css 2.1, module s add to it, doesn't throw it all away Molly: also want to call to the community SteveZ: snapshots should replace css3. css3 snapshots, then drop the "3". its whats realistic today Molly: so all of this, the outfacing site, the comunity liaison - give designers ownership and make them feel part of it fantasai: also we need feedback /from/ designers Molly: via social networks Daniel: so we all agree to assign this to molly? (general agreement) Bert: how to keep in touch? ChrisL: concerns over the group not being as public as the charter says it should be jdaggett: one thing is to work out how defined a feature is and to not talk up highly unstable stuff <fantasai> ChrisL, we try to keep administrivia on the internal list, in general that's the only thing that should be going to the internal list <fantasai> ChrisL, if technical issues get sent internally, it's an error on the senders part and should be resent to www-style (lunch) div class="two column hack" text-overflow ------------- Scribe: Arron <fantasai> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009May/0167.html <fantasai> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2008Aug/0271.html fantasai: vertical overflow or jsut the last line Alex: and ellipsis only mase sense on the last line not always in the middle fantasai: (drawing ellipsis examples) Bert: how automatic are the rules for ellipsis ChrisL: what happens when scrolling? does the ellipsis stay with last line? fantasai: yes dbaron: if its a single line we may need a special case for not clipping fantasai: do we want to handle both cases for text-overflow vertical and horizontal? do we want to add additional properties Molly: what would designers expect and how would it be clipped fantasai: when there is an ellipsis the text just goes away and is referenced by the ellipsis RESOLVED: text overflow in case of vertical overflow still applies to individual lines Disposition of Comments Format ------------------------------ Writing disposition of comments after last call Daniel explains color coding of dispositions of comments Green means resolved Orange means deferred Red means unresolved ChrisL: the idea is a standard for disposition of comments Anne: I used orange to mean rejected, and red to mean formal objection <howcome> howcome has joined #css ChrisL: one solution is to have two columns dbaron: For Color I had a separate color for rejected features that were objections dbaron: whoever reads it should define the standards for this ChrisL: lets ask for examples of good practices ChrisL: ask Ian or some of the chairs ACTION: Daniel to send email asking about standards for color codings and disposition of comments
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