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Re: Shadows vs. layout

From: David Hyatt <hyatt@apple.com>
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 13:57:11 -0500
Cc: Brad Kemper <brad.kemper@gmail.com>, David Perrell <davidp@hpaa.com>, W3C style mailing list <www-style@w3.org>
Message-id: <B05C74B9-8333-40A6-ACA7-DFECD1E625F5@apple.com>
To: "Tab Atkins Jr." <jackalmage@gmail.com>
Anyway, it's clear I'm the only person who feels this way, so I'm not  
going to keep arguing the point.  I'll just concede that we're  
inventing this new kind of overflow.  Hopefully it can be formally  
specified, since it presumably will apply to box-shadow, border-image,  
text-shadow, outline and glyph overflow.  We'll have to decide what  
kind of overflow text-stroke is as well, but that's a problem unique  
to WebKit.


On Aug 4, 2009, at 1:42 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Brad Kemper<brad.kemper@gmail.com>  
> wrote:
>> On Aug 4, 2009, at 11:17 AM, David Hyatt <hyatt@apple.com> wrote:
>>> On Aug 4, 2009, at 10:27 AM, David Perrell wrote:
>>>> Sidle up the Blinkin Scroll Bar, folks, have a round on me.
>>>> http://hpaa.com/firefox/shadow.htm
>>>> (Hoping to show the silliness of insistence that shadows are  
>>>> somehow more
>>>> sacrosanct when they fall right and down.)
>>> Nobody is actually saying that.  Not showing a scrollbar for top/ 
>>> left
>>> overflow (as has been said in previous messages) has nothing to do  
>>> with the
>>> type of overflow.
>> The point is not that anyone misses having a scroll bar for top/left
>> overflow, it is that no one misses having the clipped part of the  
>> shadow
>> there, and also would not miss the clipped part of the shadow on the
>> bottom/right. . Setting aside the historical reasons for not showing
>> scrollbars for abs pos items in the negative too/left regions, what  
>> it is
>> actually doing to shadows there is completely resonable and  
>> desired, and is
>> no less desired for the bottom/right. Even if it is not truly an  
>> orthoganal
>> cause for the effect, the effect of trimming the non-visual impact of
>> layout-less decorations when they come to the edge that way is what  
>> we want
>> on all four sides.
> And that "we" includes me as well.  Brad summarizes my feelings  
> admirably.
> ~TJ
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