- From: fantasai <fantasai.lists@inkedblade.net>
- Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 08:06:10 -0700
- To: www-style@w3.org
Summary:
- RESOLVED: No change to Media Queries in response to
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2008Sep/0218.html
commas kept as error-handling points.
- RESOLVED: Publish Media Queries as Last Call, deadline for comments
4 weeks after TPAC.
- RESOLVED: Add "Avoid breaking inside a replaced element" for Issue 74
====== Full minutes below ======
Attendees:
David Baron
Bert Bos
Arron Eicholz
Elika Etemad
Sylvain Galineau
Ming Gao
Daniel Glazman
Melinda Grant
Anne van Kesteren
Håkon Wium Lie
Peter Linss
Jason Cranford Teague
<RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/10/08-css-irc
Agenda / Logistics
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Bert: I posted proposed times for our breaks on Sunday. Let me know if
we want to change those
* anne has nothing else planned for Sunday
Daniel: Can we schedule a walk on the Riviera for Sunday? We don't seem
to have a very full agenda this time.
Peter: Let's see how the agenda shapes up
Media Queries
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<plinss> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2008Sep/0218.html
Peter: David sent an email about commas being an error handling point
David: The basic question is whether errors that are not inside an
expression but are between commas cause only the stuff between
commas to be ignored or the entire query list to be ignored
David: Given the way error handling inside a query, this makes sense.
David: But Acid3 assumes the whole query is invalid
David: Which means we have several implementations that dot aht.
David: I wanted to check that we should change our implementations
Anne: I agree this makes sense.
Anne: The way Hixie has fixed Acid3 is by commenting out the test, so it
wouldn't affect passing
Anne: Of course implementations would still have to change their behavior
Anne: Opera is willing to change
Peter: I assume Mozilla is willing to change. Microsoft?
Anne: Microsoft doesn't have an implementation
Peter: Any other issues?
Anne: That's the only outstanding issue
Melinda: Does WebKit have an implementation?
Anne: Yes. I don't remember if Hyatt agreed with this change or not.
Peter: I'm not hearing any opposition. Seems like a good idea to me.
RESOLVED: No change to draft, accept commas as error-handling points.
Anne: So, do we publish a Last Call draft now?
fantasai: Yes, let's. Can we publish it before TPAC?
Anne: I can try
Peter: We'd still need to extend the Last Call period so people have
time to comment
RESOLVED: Publish Media Queries as Last Call, deadline for comments 4
weeks after TPAC
<Zakim> +Ming
<Zakim> +howcome
<anne> (fwiw, I now filed the bugs on WebKit I listed in
http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/css/20081007 so all three
browsers have the bugs filed for the CSS Namespaces Module.
Hopefully they're fixing soon :) )
Test Suite Harness
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Peter: We had an internal meeting on the test suite harness at HP.
Peter: Don't know how long we can have people working on it, so
wanted to get comments.
Melinda: It would be cool if everybody could give it a 1/2 hour spin
Peter: Biggest thing is need to work on reporting functionality
<fantasai> http://wiki.csswg.org/test/harness
fantasai: hmm.. the prototype seems to be very out of date
Melinda, Peter: We'll send out a url when the latest and greatest
is available
fantasai: We redid the templates
fantasai: Also added ability to add a mode to the UA string: whether
you are testing desktop screen, or projection mode, or
print or print preview
fantasai: so those can each get a different set of results
Page Break of Floats
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Melinda: I wanted to revisit Issue 74
Melinda: http://wiki.csswg.org/spec/css2.1#issue-74
<plinss> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2008Oct/0046.html
fantasai: I agree with adding "Avoid breaking inside a replaced element"
fantasai: I'm not convinced about the other part
fantasai: I'm concerned about breaking web layouts
fantasai: which rely on floats and tables
Melinda: This whole section is fuzzily worded anyway
Melinda: we want implementations to think about what they're doing and
do the best they can
Melinda: At some point we may evolve more rigorous rules here.
Howcome: I think i agree that more rigorous rules would be useful, but
at this point I don't know what they would be
Peter: where do we go from here?
fantasai: Does anyone object to adding "Avoid breaking inside a replaced
element"?
RESOLVED: Add "Avoid breaking inside a replaced element" for Issue 74
fantasai: I'm not terribly excited about the other stuff. I would prefer
to leave it out of 2.1
Peter: I agree. If we're going to specify better page-breaking behavior,
we should do that with explicit rules and properties.
Peter: We should think about what should be the proper behavior and how
do we give the author appropriate controls.
RESOLVED: Don't add other sentence to 2.1
Other
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fantasai: We have a couple issues that need testcases. If people could
help with those...
Arron: We might have some written. I was going to take a look today.
fantasai: Issues 53, 57, and 69 need test cases.
Received on Friday, 17 October 2008 15:06:55 UTC