- From: fantasai <fantasai.lists@inkedblade.net>
- Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 21:42:15 -0700
- To: www-style@w3.org
Attendees:
David Baron
Bert Bos
Elika Etemad (scribe)
Daniel Glazman (arrived late)
Dave Hyatt
Peter Linss (chair)
Alex Mogilevsky (via IRC)
David Singer
Jason Cranford Teague
Steve Zilles (left early)
No resolutions this week, just some discussion:
- Reminder to Members to review charter
- fantasai posted proposed resolutions for most Backgrounds and Borders
issues; some issues still need input, all need review by next week:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2008May/0148.html
- Some opposition to suggestion to change 'background-origin' to
'background-box'.
- Percentage border widths will most likely be dropped due to complications
in shrink-wrap and table situations and lack of use cases.
- Still waiting on Opera for module priority feedback for Charter.
<RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/05/14-css-irc
* alexmog is on IRC, will call in if needed
Charter
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Peter: Has everyone reviewed the charter?
<dbaron> I've read a bunch of previous drafts of the charter; not sure
if they include the current one.
<fantasai> you said the *exact* same thing last time!
<dsinger> I did read the charter a little while back, I may not be up
to date, tho
Jason: My team had a meeting and talked about it. We think we should
consider saying a bit more about outreach
Peter: Still waiting on Opera for module feedback
Peter: No comments on module priority on www-style
fantasai: I didn't see Selectors 4 on the list anywhere
Peter: I assumed any expansions of existing modules was already covered.
Backgrounds and Borders
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Peter: So only things on agenda this week are Backgrounds and Borders
<fantasai> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2008May/0148.html
Bottom list
fantasai summarizes issues in "needs discussion" list
dbaron: opposed to changing background-origin to background-box
hyatt: I like background-origin -- I think it's descriptive.
peter: for positioning from other corners, I can see that calc() can do
it.. I can also see the utility in using start/end
peter: maybe add start/end keywords to calc?
fantasai doesn't think that makes much sense
fantasai: one proposal for syntax was
background-position: bottom 10px right 25px;
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2008May/0148.html
peter: for percentage border widths, I have a vague memory that adding
more percentages to width calculations can create circular
dependencies.. but maybe I'm wrong
hyatt: I don't think you get a circular dependency if you add the same
rules we have other places, relative to the width of the block
and defaulting to something else if you can't resolve the percentage
dbaron: We already have the same problems with percentage margins. I'm
concerned about tables.
hyatt: you could say it doesn't apply
fantasai: It always applies. You can default it to 'medium'
hyatt: is there a compelling use case for this?
fantasai: not really
fantasai: it's there for margin and padding
fantasai: figured we'd ask WG if anyone really wants to implement it
Bert: borders don't always look like borders
hyatt: if there's no compelling use case, then leave it to another level
hyatt: it's just another thing to hold back the module
Bert: I'd like to add it and mark it at risk
fantasai: I don't want to define what happens in tables, that's extra work
and not easy
peter: should record idea somewhere
fantasai: We can add a note about the problems and why we're planning to
drop it in the next WD
fantasai: then drop it in the next round
This seems to be an ok plan.
peter: I think percentage border radii were implemented in Gecko
dbaron: I think it is too.
fantasai: Gecko avoids the confusion of what percentages are relative
to by only allowing one radius: corners are always circular
hyatt: I think percentage border radii and percentage border widths go
together
fantasai: I think it sounds like they go together when you say it, but
not when you look at it
* glazou is joining the call now
peter: I think the use case was for having rounded ends
fantasai: you can get that if you set large radii, say 2em on a
navigation button. They get reduced until they don't intersect,
so you'd get rounded ends that way
peter: Everyone please review the list of issue changes here, we will
discuss next week as needed
Logo Contest
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peter: update on logo contest
jason: for the prizes we have generous donations from HP and Adobe for
a first-prize kit
jason: we could use more, anything like T-shirts etc
<dsinger> I have not yet got response from Apple folk
jason: right now only have enough for first place
jason: end of update
Charter Module List
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fantasai: what is the plan for module list in charter?
peter: wait for Opera.. if we don't hear from Opera then we'll just go
ahead with what we have
fantasai: for things that will shift from implementor feedback (like
CSS Namespaces), how are you going to do that?
peter: editorial change by me
Meeting closed.
<RRSAgent> http://www.w3.org/2008/05/14-css-minutes.html
<plinss> FYI: Namespace transition to CR approved
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