- From: Andrew Fedoniouk <news@terrainformatica.com>
- Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:25:25 -0800
- To: robert@ocallahan.org
- CC: Rossen Atanassov <ratan@windows.microsoft.com>, fantasai <fantasai.lists@inkedblade.net>, Alex Mogilevsky <alexmog@exchange.microsoft.com>, "www-style@w3.org" <www-style@w3.org>, Sam Fortiner <samfort@microsoft.com>, Harel Williams <harelw@microsoft.com>, Scott Dickens <sdickens@exchange.microsoft.com>, Boris Zbarsky <bzbarsky@mit.edu>
Robert O'Callahan wrote:
> On Jan 6, 2008 9:33 AM, Andrew Fedoniouk <news@terrainformatica.com
> <mailto:news@terrainformatica.com>> wrote:
>
> Compare this sample:
> http://www.terrainformatica.com/w3/overflow-visible.htm
> in IE and in FF for example.
>
>
> That test is being rendered in quirks mode in Firefox and I think all
> browsers. You really should use a DOCTYPE that triggers standards mode
> in all browsers if you want to discuss the standards. I think they
> actually fixed the "specified-'height' blocks expand to contain content"
> bug in IE7 standards mode.
I have updated the <doctype> in this document. I cannot see any
difference in FF, IE 6 and 7 because of this change.
Yes, IE7, FF 2/3 and Opera 9.5 render this document close to each other.
The problem is that IE rendering (6 and 7 in quirks mode) is the most
humanistic and accessible. It allows at least to see content but not
that mess you observe.
That is a primordial problem of CSS box model.
It has to be:
1) either 'overflow:none' - "never overflow" instruction or
2) something similar to David Baron's 'intrinsic' value for
min-width/min-height attributes. That is also "never
overflow" instruction.
In fact overflow:none has to be a default value. Otherwise
any page that use fixed widths/heights has accessibility problems
because of the very nature of CSS.
Illustration:
http://www.terrainformatica.com/w3/w3c-fp.jpg
that and my sample above are hardly readable, isn't it?
--
Andrew Fedoniouk.
http://terrainformatica.com
Received on Tuesday, 8 January 2008 06:25:29 UTC