- From: Kevin Lawver <kplawver@aol.com>
- Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 07:24:43 -0500 (EST)
- To: "Susan Lesch" <lesch@w3.org>
- cc: www-style@w3.org
Susan,
You're using a strange font for your default. This doesn't explain
designers' and authors' need to place more content above the fold (which
means they use really tiny fonts), but I think changing your font to the
"real" default might help.
Firefox uses:
Serif @ 16pt
Times
Helvetica
Courier @ 13pt
All at 96dpi. You could also set the minimum font size, but the default
is not to.
Safari uses:
Times 16pt
Courier 13pt
It also allows you to set a minimum font size.
Opera uses:
Times 16pt
Courier 13pt
I don't think browser makers are planning on changing the defaul font
sizes for their browsers anytime soon, but even if they do, it's only a
preference away.
This is not a standards problem, but a design problem. Designers, and
authors, are too dismissive of those with failing eyesight. We've got a
lot of people on the standards bandwagon; it's time to get them on the
accessibility bandwagon as well.
--
Kevin Lawver
AOL | WSP Pub Dev
Web Standards Advisory Group: http://wsag.office.aol.com
"I never watch Sesame Street anymore. I know most of that stuff." --
George Carlin
Susan Lesch wrote on 2/28/05, 6:58 PM:
> Hello,
>
> Do some Web designers prefer fonts too small to read in Firefox with my
> preference, Baskerville 14 (Mac OS 10.3.8)? If I needed to call Opera,
> Adobe, Microsoft or Netscape, I'd have to be very close to the screen to
> read a phone number. Here are a few examples.
>
> http://www.opera.com/company/about/
> style sheet
> http://www.opera.com/css/screen.css
> body is 73%
>
> http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/main.html
> style sheet
> http://www.adobe.com/ssi/css/mainnav.css
> some fonts xx-small
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/default.mspx
> (sorry I gave up)
> http://www.microsoft.com/
> style sheet
> http://www.microsoft.com/h/en-us/r/hp.css
> (various, 70% and up)
>
> http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp
> style sheet
> http://cdn-channels.netscape.com/browsers/i/download.css
> "is faster....", languages are 11px
>
> http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/
> style sheet
> http://www.mozilla.org/css/cavendish/content.css
> body is small
>
> http://www.apple.com/contact/
> style sheet
> http://www.apple.com/main/css/global.css
> body is 12px
>
> http://www.omnigroup.com/company/
> style sheet
> http://www.omnigroup.com/resources/global.css
> body is 10pt
> http://www.omnigroup.com/resources/2004.css
> body is 12pt
>
> http://www.w3.org/Consortium/
> style sheets
> http://www.w3.org/Guide/pubrules-style.css
> http://www.w3.org/Consortium/about-style.css
> (no size)
>
> The good news is they all have style sheets. :-)
>
> In about 1999, Mac browser vendors changed from 12px to 16px [1,2]. I
> assume the problem, if there was one, has been solved. Or do you think
> CSS usage is raising shipping and or user preference sizes again?
>
> [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/1998Dec/0030.html
> [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/1998Dec/0052.html
>
> Thank you.
Received on Tuesday, 1 March 2005 13:00:03 UTC