- From: fantasai <fantasai@escape.com>
- Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 02:37:03 -0500
- To: www-style@w3.org
16.3 Text Decoration http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/WD-CSS21-20030915/text.html#q3 > When specified on an inline element, it affects all the boxes > generated by that element, otherwise, the decorations are > propagated to the anonymous inline box that wraps all the > inline contents of the element, using the element's color. It > is not, however, further propagated to floating and absolutely > positioned descendants, nor to the contents of 'inline-table' > and 'inline-block' descendants. Nor is it propagated to > block-level descendants of inline elements. This text here is not very tight. What happens with <div style="text-decoration: underline"> <p>paragraph</p> <p>paragraph</p> <p>paragraph</p> </div> or <table style="text-decoration: underline"> <tr> <td>content</td> </tr> </table> ? There is no "anonymous inline box that wraps all the inline contents of the element". > If an element contains no text (ignoring white space in elements > that have 'white-space' set to 'normal', 'pre-line', or 'no-wrap'), > user agents must refrain from rendering text decorations on the element. This seems to say the span element in text<span> </span>text will not be underlined. Is that what you meant? In any case, the parenthetical remark is confusing. Change the sentence wording. # Text decorations on inline boxes are drawn across the entire element, # going across any descendant elements without paying any attention to # their presence. You /have/ to pay attention to their presence: they take up space. Without "adjusting" for the elements, perhaps? # This was arguably allowed by the looser wording in CSS2. SVG1, # CSS1-only, and CSS2-only user agents may implement the older model # and still claim conformance to this part of CSS2.1. (This does not # apply to UAs developed after this specification was released.) Does this exception apply to new releases of older UAs? # the decorations are propagated to the anonymous inline box that # wraps all the inline contents of the element, This anonymous inline box needs to be explained in section 9.2.2 http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/WD-CSS21-20030915/visuren.html#anonymous # Help, help! # I am under a hat! # -- GwieF I recommend either getting rid of the <span> or putting some text outside it. I suggest making the anonymous inline line gray. 16.4 Letter and Word Spacing http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/WD-CSS21-20030915/text.html#spacing-props I've noticed that the wording hasn't been changed to use 'grapheme clusters'. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2002Nov/0084.html From http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2003Apr/0202.html : > It's not clear how this would be handled: > > span {letter-spacing: 2px} > > word<span>spaced out</span> word2 > > Is spacing be applied before the 's' or after the 't'? > If the text broke across two lines, would letter-spacing be applied > at the start of the second line? The end of the first? > > Also, you should specify whether letter spacing applies to spaces or not. > (I think it should for the reasons outlined in > http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1046#c21 ) ... Where is word-spacing applied? At every space character? At zero-width-spaces? From http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2002Aug/0332.html > If I wrote > <pre>two spaces</pre> > how would word-spacing and letter-spacing affect the gap between > 'two' and 'spaces'? http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/WD-CSS21-20030915/text.html#caps-prop There was a mention of titlecase earlier... http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2002Aug/0332.html 16.6.1 The Whitespace Processing Model http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/WD-CSS21-20030915/text.html#q8 # Any text that is directly contained inside a block (not inside an inline) # should be treated as an anonymous inline element. -> should be in an anonymous inline element. # If 'white-space' is set to 'pre' or 'pre-wrap', any sequence of spaces # (U+0020) unbroken by an element boundary is treated as a sequence of # non-breaking spaces. However, a line breaking opportunity exists at the # end of the sequence. If 'white-space'is set to 'pre' or 'pre-wrap', any sequence of spaces (U+0020) is treated as a sequence of non-breaking spaces. However, if 'white-space' is set to 'pre-wrap', a line breaking opportunity exists at every element boundary within the sequence and also at the end of the sequence. # even a space before the inline, if that space also has... ^^^^^^ -> outside the inline 16.6.2 Bidirectionality with Whitespace Collapsing http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/WD-CSS21-20030915/text.html#q9 # This is best avoided by using the natural bidirectionality of characters # instead of explicit embedding levels. It's not always possible to rely on implicit bidi, which is why we *have* embedding levels. You shouldn't discourage their use like this. The problem is best avoided by keeping start and end tags close to the text: by not putting spaces at the start and end of inline elements. ~fantasai
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