- From: Bernd Mielke <bernd_mozilla@gmx.de>
- Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 10:06:33 +0100
- To: Shelby Moore <shelby@coolpage.com>
- CC: www-style@w3.org
> Afaik, you and Ian are not semantic experts (nothing in your resumes to > support such). Could you please stop questioning the competence of Tantek, at least as long as it takes time to read http://tantek.com/log/2002/12.html (hint: it is really worth the reading, you might even understand why you should name your essay "XBL considered harmfull"). You might even stop as long at it takes to read the source of his blog and compare it to the following markup: <html> <head> <title>hello world</title> <meta NAME="keywords" CONTENT="Cool Page,3Dize"> <meta NAME="Generator" CONTENT="Cool Page version 2.72 Free, Sep 15 2002 for Windows"> <base TARGET="_top"> <style TYPE="text/css">BODY {margin-left:0; margin-right:0; margin-top:0;}</STYLE> <style TYPE="text/css"> .Arial-16pxn {font:normal 16px Arial, sans-serif} </STYLE> </head> <body SCROLL="auto" BGCOLOR="#FFFFFF" TOPMARGIN=0 LEFTMARGIN=0> <script LANGUAGE="JavaScript"> <!-- var agt=navigator.userAgent.toLowerCase(); var is_major=parseInt(navigator.appVersion); var is_minor=parseFloat(navigator.appVersion); var is_nav=((agt.indexOf('mozilla')!=-1)&&(agt.indexOf('spoofer')==-1)&&(agt.indexOf('compatible')==-1) && (agt.indexOf('opera')==-1)&&(agt.indexOf('webtv')==-1)); var is_ie=(agt.indexOf('msie')!=-1); if(is_ie){var agt_ie=agt.substring(agt.indexOf('msie')+5); is_major=parseInt(agt_ie); is_minor=parseFloat(agt_ie);} var is_dom2=(document.getElementById); var is_http=(window.location.protocol.indexOf('http')==0); function jsStop( o ) { if(is_ie&&is_major>=4&&eval('document.'+o)){var e=eval('document.'+o);if(e.src&&e.src!=''&&e.ReadyState&&e.ReadyState>=4){e.stop();}}else{if(is_nav&&is_major>=3&&(is_major<4||eval('document.'+o))){eval('document.'+o+'.stop()');}} } function jsPlay( o ) { if(is_ie&&is_major>=4&&eval('document.'+o)){var e=eval('document.'+o);if(e.src&&e.src!=''&&e.ReadyState&&e.ReadyState>=4){if(is_major>=5){e.play();}else{e.run();}}}else{if(is_nav&&is_major>=3&&(is_major<4||eval('document.'+o))){eval('document.'+o+'.play(false)');}} } // Browser detect if( is_minor < 3.5 ) alert( "This page will not function properly in your browser.\n\nYour browser is very old. Please upgrade your browser to version 4 or later.\n\nOr request the webmaster (of this page) to change their browser compatibility setting in Cool Page to version 3 browsers." ); else { if( is_nav && is_minor < 5.0 ) window.location.replace( 'index_nn4.html' + window.location.search ); } function Link3Dize() { if( confirm( "This page created with FREE version Cool Page.\n\nDownload your own FREE copy of Cool Page?\n\nClick Cancel to follow the link instead. Note FREE version of Cool Page shows this popup message after 30 days of use. Buy Cool Page to make this popup go away." ) ) window.open( "http://www.coolpage.com/?aid=PgMadeWithCP", "3Dize" ); return true; } //--> </SCRIPT> <div ID="idCoolxPagexButton" style="position:absolute; top:0px; left:0px; width:88px; height:31px;"><a HREF="javascript:;" onMouseOver="javascript:jsPlay('ididCoolPagexwavEmbed');window.status='This page created with Cool Page. Click to get your own FREE copy of Cool Page!';return true" onClick="javascript:Link3Dize();return true" onMouseOut="javascript:jsStop('ididCoolPagexwavEmbed');window.status='';return true"><img SRC="Cool_Page_Button.gif" NAME="idCoolxPagexButtonImg" ID="idCoolxPagexButtonImg" ALT="This page created with Cool Page. Click to get your own FREE copy of Cool Page!" WIDTH=88 HEIGHT=31 BORDER=0></a></div> <div style="position:absolute; top:0px; left:0px; width:1px; height:1px;"><a HREF="http://www.coolpage.com/"><img SRC="t.gif" ALT="" WIDTH=1 HEIGHT=1 BORDER=0></a></div> <div ID="idElement1" style="position:absolute; top:65px; left:67px; width:224px; height:18px;"><table BORDER=0 CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 WIDTH=224><tr VALIGN=top><td><div align=left><font CLASS=Arial-16pxn>Hello World</font></div></td></tr></table></div> <embed name="ididCoolPagexwavEmbed" src="CoolPage.wav" autostart="false" mastersound hidden="true" volume=100 width=0 height=0></embed> </body> </html> Thats the markup I see from a simple Hello World example created with coolpage (the most recent version downloaded from your website). Please correct me if I am wrong: > 23,000+ web sites made with Cool Page: Does that mean 23000+ websites that do not validate at validator.w3.org? I think you should try to convince Tim Berner Lee by direct mail to respond to this thread instead of using him as argument. Please don't forget to attach an example of the coolpage markup to that email to show by evidence how much you care about semantic markup. Bernd
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