RE: Where did frames come from, then? (was RE: Mentographs a go-go)

If you really want to know ask Minsky. His e-mail is



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[]On Behalf Of Meltsner, Kenneth
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 11:24 AM
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Subject: Where did frames come from, then? (was RE: Mentographs a go-go)

Side issue: Did Peirce influence Minsky?

I can certainly see the differences between frames (in the various
interpretations since Minsky) and conceptual maps, but there are also

Ken Meltsner

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From: R.V.Guha []
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Mentographs a go-go

With all due respect to Charles Sanders Pierce & Shank's work,
the RDF data model was in large part inspired by a combination
of Minsky's frames and traditional predicate logic (with arity


Seth Russell wrote:

> From: "Danny Ayers" <>
> > Look what you've done now Seth, even TimBL's at it :
> >
> >
> Well, to be honest, I doubt that my efforts have even come on TimBl's
> screen.   There has been a long tradition of representing knowledge with
> labeled directed graphs starting (perhaps) with Charles Sanders Pierce. I
> think John Sowa was the first to have popularized them, see [1].  But for
> the record my mentography was heavily influenced not by Sowa's work, but
> Shank's Conceptual Dependency diagrams and was developed around 1978 when
> started working on CyberMind [2].   I discovered Sowa's and Pierce's work
> two decades later around the time I published [3].
> [1]
> [2]
> [3]
> Seth

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