- From: Peter F. Patel-Schneider <pfps@research.bell-labs.com>
- Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 11:24:38 -0400
- To: seth@robustai.net
- Cc: phayes@ai.uwf.edu, www-rdf-interest@w3.org
From: "Seth Russell" <seth@robustai.net> Subject: Re: N3 contexts vs RDF reification Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 20:58:43 -0700 > From: "Peter F. Patel-Schneider" <pfps@research.bell-labs.com> > > Re: http://robustai.net/mentography/TransitiveProperties.gif > > > Pretty pictures might be useful for some things, but they certainly are > not > > sufficient to show that your can represent second-order sentences in RDF. > > Sure you may have a syntactic encoding of second-order sentences in > > RDF, but you can also have an encoding of second-order sentences in > > XML or even HTML. To have a second-order logic, you have to provide a > > second-order meaning for these encodings, either derived from the meaning > > of the encoding language or independent of that meaning. You have done > > neither. > > Could you perhaps sketch for me what a "second-order meaning" would look > like? Maybe, at least, specify what language this 'meaning' is to be > expressed in and provide an example. Now, obviously, in my simple diagram > of Pat's description of transivity ( in KIF, i presume) I did not elaborate > the rest of the ontology and logical constructs that would complete a > functional model. Is your criticism of my diagram that I have not make that > elaboration? Wouldn't such a criticism be kind of like criticizing a quick > sketch of a cartoon character because it didn't animate itself? Can you not > see that if the extra assertions necessary to elaborate the modes are in > fact in the DAML schemas, that they could be easily added to the diagram? > > ... i am very confused as to what you and Pat are requiring? > > Seth To have a logic, any logic, you need more than syntax. You need either some notion of inference or some sort of model theory. Both are much beyond what can be explained in a web note. I strongly suggest reading a good book on formal logic. For examples of what might be required, you could look at the model-theoretic semantics and the axiomatization of DAML+OIL. Peter Patel-Schneider Bell Labs Research.
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