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Final minutes QA WG telephone conference 2004-06-28

From: Dimitris Dimitriadis <dimitris@ontologicon.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 19:14:31 +0300
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QA Working Group Teleconference
Monday, 28-June-2004
Scribe: Dimitris Dimitriadis

(DD) Dimitris Dimitriadis (Ontologicon)
(KD) Karl Dubost (W3C, WG co-chair)
(DH) Dominique Hazael-Massieux (W3C)
(LH) Lofton Henderson (CGMO - WG co-chair)
(LR) Lynne Rosenthal (NIST - IG co-chair)
(MS) Mark Skall (NIST)

(DM) David Marston, IBM research

(VV) Vanitha Venkatraman (Sun Microsystems)

(PC) Patrick Curran (Sun Microsystems)
(AT) Andrew Thackrah (Open Group)

Summary of New Action Items:

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-qa-wg/2004Jun/0077.html
Previous F2F Minutes: 


1.) roll call 11am EDT, membership

2.) routine business
        - Future telecons   (Monday 12 July)
		Every 15 days
	- Action Items
		Be Careful, if you are drifting too much
		we will not have time to finish.

[kd] will not review all action items from F2F.
3.) Overview of Santa Clara F2F
	- Future of the QA WG - Dom [3]
[kd] discussion with W3C management

[dh] discussed (F2F) during the AC meeting we discussed lack of 
participation. During the F2F there was discussion about the future of 
the WG. W3M agreed to leave the WG as is and continue the work until 
the end of October; at that time, if no new members or a very strong 
support from other WGs, the WG will close.

[ms] What does strong support mean?

[dh] Support from J. Carroll, from example. If other WGs think the work 
we've been doing is important, we'll continue.

[ms] If no new members, but close relation to other WGs, then the WG 
continues? Maybe we should energize other WGs with respect to our work.

[kd] Most important thing is to get new members. Would encourage other 
W3C members to join QA WG.

[lh] Over time we've had a fair number of testimonials, recently we've 
had comments from S. Lesch, D. Connolly and J. Carroll. Maybe put 
together a list of such testimonials?

[minuter got dropped]

[kd] lofton's comment was that end October is unrealistic for two 
document cycles, from past experience, and we do need two cycles to get 
to LC-quality on SpecLite & QAH.  End November is realistic for two 

[dd] agrees with Dom that the work, and not the marketing is the 
important aspect.

	- Lofton activity in the QA WG
[lh] Starting week after F2F in Santa Clara, I became a regular WG 
member. Formerly, I was half-time on QAWG work.  Time demands are heavy 
on new work that I have started.  Will try to put in half day a week, 
as obligated by Charter, but no guarantees.  Will focus on QAH.

	- Progress on work

  4.) SpecGL
[kd] Rewrote long sentences, sent to the mailing list. Easy if you 
follow the template.
	D3 Principle: Address the extensibility topic inside specification. [4]

	D3 Good Practice: Define error handling for unknown extensions [5]
[kd] Lynne made a comment. Do others have comments? Lynne mentioned 
that it's not a principle, but a good practice, I agree.

[lh] Liked the first part, that's an improvement.

[kd] How would you like to proceed? I can leave them as is in the 
mailing list or insert into the document. Thanks to Lynne for the 

	Future plan for publications
[kd] I propose that we decide on the first telcon of August if it's too 
short or not. Acceptible?

[lh] Should be a strong gola to have new WDs before September, WDs that 
are complete in the sense that we have content everywhere. Think we 
have to have the first cycle finished by the end of August, even if we 
don't have consensus.

[kd] Agree

  5.) QA Handbook Review
	Acquiring Test Materials [6]
[lh] Looked at and liked the contribution, no problem integrating it.
  6.) Adjourn

  7.) Overflow (12-12:30): available.
[dh] Have put TestGL topics on Wiki.


[1] http://www.w3.org/TR/qaframe-spec
[2] http://www.w3.org/TR/qa-handbook
[3] http://www.w3.org/mid/1088089389.7123.237.camel@stratustier
[4] http://www.w3.org/mid/B7F28A66-C47B-11D8-B5E2-000A95718F82@w3.org
[5] http://www.w3.org/mid/A383E809-C559-11D8-B5E2-000A95718F82@w3.org
[6] http://www.w3.org/mid/98713E98-C488-11D8-B5E2-000A95718F82@w3.org
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