- From: Neal McBurnett <neal@bcn.boulder.co.us>
- Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 21:59:25 -0600
- To: www-patentpolicy-comment@w3.org
- Message-ID: <20011011215925.I1076@feynman>
Re: http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/WD-patent-policy-20010816/ To date, W3C has been proud to be able to state that The W3C is not presently aware of any non-free patent that is essential to any existing W3C recommendation. Its existing policy is helpful in this regard: 2.2 Intellectual Property Rights (IPR) Policy Whenever possible, technical decisions should be made unencumbered by intellectual property right (IPR) claims. To this end, W3C discloses to the entire Membership which organizations have made IPR claims about a particular technology, as well as the details of those claims where they have been provided. Individuals should immediately disclose any IPR claims they know may be essential to implementing a Recommendation track technical report. One of the W3C's long term goals for the web has been, and should continue to be, Universal Access, as stated at http://www.w3.org/Consortium/ 1. Universal Access: To make the Web accessible to all by promoting technologies that take into account the vast differences in culture, education, ability, material resources, and physical limitations of users on all continents; Given the dramatic differences in material resources across the world, the only hope for providing anything approaching "Universal Access" for poor people in poor countries, is to ensure that all standard software-based web technologies are available Royalty Free. In fact, this has been central to the success of the Web and other software-based Internet technologies to date even in rich countries. Improving the clarity of the disclosure requirements is a good thing. But W3C should drop the RAND model from the proposed patent framework. There are huge loopholes in the framework which must also be closed. There is a great deal of slack in the definitions. E.g. "Essential Claims" are defined such that companies are not required to provide even RAND licenses for optional portions of Recommendations - only the "required portions" are covered. If a public working draft comes out, and 18 months later a patent application is filed, and subsequently these patent-pending ideas are incorporated into subsequent drafts, it appears that claims in these patents would not be deemed "Essential": "Essential Claims" shall mean all claims in any patent or patent application with an effective filing date within one year and one day after the publication of the first Public Working Draft. The clause relating to the time of filing should just be dropped. Another loophole: no one ever needs to give notice if they hold patents which would be infringed by "the implementation of technology developed elsewhere and merely incorporated by reference in the body of the Recommendation." So a Recommendation could be fully approved and widely implemented, after which even a W3C member could announce with impunity that they planned to demand royalties in a discriminatory way. All points in 4 (a) 2 should be dropped. The W3C definition of "Contribution" is very loose. Lawyers are accustomed at claiming rights to all sorts of trivial-sounding ideas. It would be embarrassing and time consuming for a WG chair to constantly be asking for IPR statements. Working Group Chairs should not have to be experts in both Intellectual Poperty Law and all fields of software. The IETF has had extensive experience with this and has a very inclusive policy on what a contribution is: http://www.ietf.org/ipr.html All statements related to the activities of the IETF and addressed to the IETF are subject to all provisions of Section 10 of RFC 2026, which grants to the IETF and its participants certain licenses and rights in such statements. Such statements include verbal statements in IETF meetings, as well as written and electronic communications made at any time or place, which are addressed to - the IETF plenary session, - any IETF working group or portion thereof, - the IESG, or any member thereof on behalf of the IESG, - the IAB or any member thereof on behalf of the IAB, - any IETF mailing list, including the IETF list itself, any working group or design team list, or any other list functioning under IETF auspices, - the RFC Editor or the Internet-Drafts function Statements made outside of an IETF meeting, mailing list or other function, that are clearly not intended to be input to an IETF activity, group or function, are not subject to these provisions. W3C should use this definition of a Contribution or one like it. The definition of "non-discriminatory" is unclear. E.g. would RSA's free license for non-commercial use of RSAREF qualify? Or whatever deal they made with Netscape when SSL came out? In the rare cases where some very important technology is claimed by an unscrupulous company, the community may be served by a license which other commercial interests could claim to be "discriminatory". I agree with Chris Lilley that there should be a requirement to clarify whether disclosed patent claims are deemed by the owner to be "essential" or not, once a specification is sufficiently mature. Section 5 says: Working Groups will be expected to produce a final Recommendation that can be implemented in accordance with the licensing mode specified. These requirements cannot prevent cases in which patent claims held by non-W3C Members, or by W3C Members who chose to opt-out (see section 8.1 and section 8.2) of the licensing requirement, from interfering with the established licensing expectations of the Consortium. It is indeed possible for the requirements to prevent Members from opting out "and thus thwarting the established licensing expectations of the Consortium". Either re-work the spec to eliminate the infringement, or just don't even produce a Recommendation under such circumstances. Rewarding such opt-out behavior by providing the imprimatur of a W3C Recommendation would seem to almost always be inappropriate, and would likely do great damage to the reputation of both the W3C and the member in question. The argument in the "First formal objection" http://www.w3.org/2001/08/ppwg-fo2-16July2001.html is specious: it is unfair to require a licensing commitment from non-working group members: they were not involved in the development of the Recommendation; they lack the knowledge to perform patent searches; and they probably have no interest in implementing the Recommendation; Such a company must presume to be capable of tracking down infringing implementations after they come to market, so saying it is too burdensome for the company to even look at the spec and identify relevant patent claims before it becomes final is simply to say that the company has no interest in a reasonable standards policy. It isn't an issue of whether the company intends to implement the Recommendation. It is a question of whether they intend to be able to profit from implementations by others in a discriminatory way. It will also generally be easier for a company to identify infringing technology based on a public specification than it would be if the infringing technology was buried in a non-standards-based proprietary product. This is an opportunity for the patent holders to make money more easily. There is no requirement to provide licenses for all purposes, just for implementations of the Recommendation. I agree with IBM's support of unlimited defensive use of patents: We propose that the original patent owner retain the right to withdraw or terminate licenses for patents with essential claims when a licensee institutes a patent infringement action against the patent owner. (This process only affects the party who has brought suit. All other licenses remain in force.) Neal McBurnett <neal@bcn.boulder.co.us> http://bcn.boulder.co.us/~neal/ (with GPG/PGP keys to verify my signature or send private email)
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