Minutes: MathML intent meeting 11, November

 Attendees:

   - David Carlisle
   - Sam Dooley
   - David Farmer
   - Deyan Ginev
   - Patrick Ion
   - Louis Maher
   - Bruce Miller
   - Murray Sargent
   - Neil Soiffer
   - Steve Noble
   - Moritz Schubotz
   - Cary Supalo
   - Bert Bos
   - Paul Libbrecht
   - Brian Kardell
   - Stephen Watt

Regrets:

   - Daniel O'Mahony

Announcements / Updatesproposals and demos

Bruce's material:

Proposal:

https://mathml-refresh.github.io/discussion-papers/semantics-mini

I think Deyan's demo page (with some options selected) mostly reflects the
proposal:

https://dginev.github.io/tiny-mathml-a11y-demo/

Sam's material:

Proposal:

https://samdooley.github.io/mathml-docs/intent2cmml/intent.html

Demo:

https://samdooley.github.io/mathml-docs/intent2cmml/demo.html

see also the GitHub issue

https://github.com/w3c/mathml/issues/252

for an attempt at comparing the two syntaxes.
Sam will provide more details about his intent proposal

SW: "Intent" may not be the best way to describe what we are doing. He
suggests revisiting the issue with using the concept of accessibility to
name our attribute. He would like it to be a future agenda item.

NS: "Intent" was the name that we settled upon after several discussions.

MS: Perhaps we can revisit this once we have a clear idea of what we are
doing.

SD: Developed a demo to demonstrate the points in his paper.

SD: With appropriate defaults and common vocabulary, presentation MathML
might be able to generate content MathML.

SD: Discussed his proposal by going through his paper. He ran his examples
through his demo to show how his concepts generated content MathML.

PL: Can you give "ci" and other content-MathML to an accessibility tool?

SD: wants to provide a bridge to content MathML which will help speech.

DC: It is a good policy to have the default written in the language.

SW: How would SD show hex values? SD showed how he could do this.

Individuals asked SD questions and he used his demo to show how his system
would handle those cases.

MS: Binary minus is a common and important elementary operation.

SW: Agreed -- Ought to be less automagical for elementary math and, e.g.,
to gracefully manage set difference.

NS: Does someone want to lead a discussion on how to unify BM's and SD's
presentations?

DG: Has a third way to discuss.

DG: will lead a ten-minute discussion on how to unify BM's and SD's methods.