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https://www.w3.org/2022/02/17-i18n-minutes.html – DRAFT – Internationalization Working Group Teleconference 17 February 2022 [2]Agenda. [3]IRC log. [2] https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/5e4758ba-3e80-4e71-b333-5f2c4fd95abd/20220217T150000 [3] https://www.w3.org/2022/02/17-i18n-irc Attendees Present addison, Atsushi, Bert, David, Erik, Fuqiao, JcK, Richard Regrets - Chair Addison Phillips Scribe addison, xfq Contents 1. [4]Agenda 2. [5]Action Items 3. [6]Info Share 4. [7]Radar 5. [8]In-person for TPAC? 6. [9]RTL named group support in URLPattern 7. [10]WOT Thing Description review 8. [11]AOB? 9. [12]Summary of action items Meeting minutes <addison> trackbot, prepare teleconference <addison> scribenick xfq Agenda addison: was it an improvement over last week's agenda? Bert: I'll make sure agendabot recognizes your format addison: maybe I shouldn't use a bullet list Action Items agendabot: does anybody have anything to add to the agenda? JcK: can we have plain text @@ HTML? addison: I only own the part between the word "Agenda" and "Joining Instructions" <addison> [13]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/ open [13] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open r12a: you can have spacing between "BE PREPARED", "REMINDER", etc. <JcK> That was not a request for plain text -- I'm going to read it that way regardless -- just for understanding of the implications to that format. addison: 1094 is dependant on the explainer … 1103 is also dependant on the explainer trackbot, close ACTION-1118 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-1118. trackbot, close ACTION-1119 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-1119. Info Share trackbot, close ACTION-1117 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-1117. trackbot, open ACTION-1118 <trackbot> Sorry, xfq, I don't understand 'trackbot, open ACTION-1118'. Please refer to <[14]http://www.w3.org/2005/06/ tracker/irc> for help. [14] http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc <addison> reopen 1118 [15]https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/ 4986#issuecomment-1024344940 [15] https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/4986#issuecomment-1024344940 xfq: came up in my vacation … html folks made proposal on autocomplete … agenda+ in this or future meeting? addison: if memory serves they had some random stuff … address format notoriously complicated ACTION: addison: remind group to follow up on html#4986 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1120 - Remind group to follow up on html#4986 [on Addison Phillips - due 2022-02-24]. r12a: Do you think there is any problem, xfq? xfq: i think we discussed this before Radar xfq: I would like to check with you all if there is a problem. I personally didn't find any problems. r12a: i'll start editing the editorial guidelines … I'm going to start (again) to create a new set of -2022 files … that applies to new articles … we should be able to fit it to articles we update as well addison: thank you [16]https://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/questions/ qa-floating-times.en [16] https://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/questions/qa-floating-times.en addison: a coworker working on Temporal saw one of our floating times articles and found it useful … and linked to it … I should really update the working with time zones note … because there are changes in the world since I wrote it a lot of years ago [17]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1 [17] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1 addison: WoT TD, we have an agenda item for it … SPC, we have a couple of pending issues we can review today In-person for TPAC? addison: there's a questionnaire for TPAC … in September in Vancouver David: my feeling is hybrid is the best option r12a: for me it's a bit early to know what to do … the flight for me is like 12 hours long David: people in some countries may not even be allowed into Canada in direct flights addison: I don't know what's gonna happen … I will reserve some space Bert: if it's possible I'd like to go there in person RTL named group support in URLPattern [18]https://github.com/WICG/urlpattern/issues/43 [18] https://github.com/WICG/urlpattern/issues/43 addison: when they filed this request there was no spec … in the interim year there's a spec … I don't think we have reviewed this … it's in a CG addison: effectively they're working with URLs … basically regular expressions … syntax for named groups … in a regular expression you can assign a name to an expression … as a way of querying with the content … rather than replicating the expression David: rather than "it's the third collection" you can give it a name addison: a full regular expression syntax for working with URLs … e.g., "give me the fragment" … it's possible to screw things up … in a text editor because of bidi effects r12a: logically speaking it's the same as in English addison: it's "code point biased" r12a: not because of it won't work … just because you won't be able to read it addison: usability problem … we should probably review this thing before too long ACTION: addison: add urlpattern to review (non-urgent) <trackbot> Created ACTION-1121 - Add urlpattern to review (non-urgent) [on Addison Phillips - due 2022-02-24]. JcK: not everybody knows what TC 39 is WOT Thing Description review [19]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/ issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Apending+label%3As%3Awot-t hing-description [19] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is:issue+is:open+label:pending+label:s:wot-thing-description addison: i've done the review for WoT TD … have some pending issues [20]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1465 [20] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1465 r12a: they say if a language can be written in a few scripts … what happens when there's no script subtag … who's having the MUSTard? … who would suppy that subtag? addison: whoever supply the WoT TD … @@ … you can have a list of languages you know in a language map r12a: how would they know Azeri can be written in more than one script? addison: presumably if they are localizing their device into these languages they would know … but we cannot guarantee … my first comment here is that we prefer not to use heuristic … we prefer to use metadata … and I could make a second comment, says your heuristic is incomplete … they didn't pick up some of the things we did with JSON-LD i18n namespace and so on [21]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1467 [21] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1467 addison: and you should be aware that elsewhere they say there's no metadata, and they cite string-meta [22]https://w3c.github.io/string-meta/#script_subtag [22] https://w3c.github.io/string-meta/#script_subtag <r12a> [23]https://www.w3.org/International/articles/ lang-bidi-use-cases/ [23] https://www.w3.org/International/articles/lang-bidi-use-cases/ r12a: we actually do recommend heuristic, but only in some cases <r12a> [24]https://w3c.github.io/ string-meta/#bp_use_heuristics_1 [24] https://w3c.github.io/string-meta/#bp_use_heuristics_1 r12a: ^ this is what we're recommending in string-meta … in the top of the file you can say the whole file is LTR … but it may not be available r12a: each string should be able to be accompanied by metadata, but we don't say that you have to supply metadata addison: it's about capability [25]https://w3c.github.io/ string-meta/#bp_inferring_from_language [25] https://w3c.github.io/string-meta/#bp_inferring_from_language addison: ^ this somewhat prevents that r12a: this says "don't do these guys are doing, unless it's a last resort" … so the question is, what is the last resort? addison: I have a bunch of things that are not direction related [26]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1466 [26] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1466 addison: like something replaces Unicode normalization … #1466 should be easier … they referred to "well-formed" language tags, but they don't bother to define "well-formed" <atsushi_> +1 addison: we encourage specs require well-formedness and encourage valid [27]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1468 [27] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1468 addison: ^ this is about human-readable metadata … there's no way to ascertain languages or locales that are available r12a: isn't that normal? addison: @@ … a map can be flattened, you don't need to send fr-FR, fr-BE, fr-CA, fr-CH, and you can only send fr Bert: i wonder what http say about language priority [28]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1469 [28] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1469 addison: I'll work on this before the next meeting … Accept-Language is just an example … I don't know how else you would negotiate language with a lamp Bert: I think I agree with you comment [29]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1470 [29] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1470 <atsushi_> +1 strongly addison: somewhat meta thing, but it's really common for developers to write English as enum value … write in uppercase, camel case, snake case, or one of the programmer cases xfq: +1 JcK: it's the right thing to do [30]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1471 [30] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/1471 addison: it's probably the authors know better, it's just editorial addison: we famously have RFC3987 to deal with @@ … whatwg has URL r12a: looks good to me AOB? close action-1114 <trackbot> Closed action-1114. close action-1113 <trackbot> Closed action-1113. close action-1104 <trackbot> Closed action-1104. close action-1116 <trackbot> Closed action-1116. Summary of action items 1. [31]addison: remind group to follow up on html#4986 2. [32]addison: add urlpattern to review (non-urgent)
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