- From: r12a <ishida@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 16:59:22 +0000
- To: www International <www-international@w3.org>
https://www.w3.org/2020/02/20-i18n-minutes.html
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- DRAFT -
Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
20 Feb 2020
[2]Agenda
[2]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2020Feb/0006.html
Attendees
Present
addison, Bert, richard, JcK, Fuqiao, atsushi, najib,
xfq, r12a
Regrets
atsushi
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
addison, addison_
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Agenda and Minutes
2. [5]Action Items
3. [6]Info Share
4. [7]RADAR and Active Work Review
5. [8]What time is this meeting at?
6. [9]line breaking and quotation marks
7. [10]String-Meta next steps
8. [11]AOB?
* [12]Summary of Action Items
* [13]Summary of Resolutions
__________________________________________________________
<addison> trackbot, prepare teleconference
<agendabot> clear agenda
<addison> scribenick: addison
Agenda and Minutes
Action Items
[14]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
[14] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
action-853?
<trackbot> action-853 -- Najib Tounsi to Give system/comms team
guidance on i18n best practices to make new home page readily
localizable -- due 2020-01-23 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[15]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/853
[15] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/853
<najib> Yes
<najib> can close
close action-853
<trackbot> Closed action-853.
action-855?
<trackbot> action-855 -- Addison Phillips to Ask fantasai to
make bidi comments on ttml issue -- due 2020-02-13 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[16]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/855
[16] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/855
close action-855
<trackbot> Closed action-855.
Info Share
close action-831
<trackbot> Closed action-831.
richard: last week we discussed moving tests to github
... rather than in a wiki
... had said it was a pain to edit the wiki, esp. with size
... can't filter and sort
<r12a>
[17]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-tests/wiki/List-of-interactive-
tests-&-results
[17]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-tests/wiki/List-of-interactive-tests-&-results
richard: just moved gap analysis, so thought maybe possible to
move
... so did it
... see link
... first list is set of summary pages
... shows results for tests
... links to test
<r12a>
[18]https://w3c.github.io/i18n-tests/results/int-vertical-text
[18] https://w3c.github.io/i18n-tests/results/int-vertical-text
richard: if we click on "this one"
... and click on japanese
<r12a> [19]https://github.com/w3c/text_direction_tests/issues/1
[19] https://github.com/w3c/text_direction_tests/issues/1
<r12a>
[20]https://w3c.github.io/i18n-tests/exploratory/inline_notes/i
nt-ruby
[20]
https://w3c.github.io/i18n-tests/exploratory/inline_notes/int-ruby
richard: new test framework for ruby
... and just a couple of tests to go with that
<r12a>
[21]https://w3c.github.io/i18n-tests/results/int-inline-notes-a
nnotations
[21]
https://w3c.github.io/i18n-tests/results/int-inline-notes-annotations
richard: summary pages pull data instantly from github
... not a lot under ruby because have tests
... and saw comment from xfq@
... pulled a little thread and ended up rewriting a bunch of
tests
<r12a> [22]https://w3c.github.io/i18n-tests/results/css-ruby
[22] https://w3c.github.io/i18n-tests/results/css-ruby
richard: rewrote results page to use latest template
... and changes to test suite framework
<r12a>
[23]https://w3c.github.io/i18n-tests/run?base=css-ruby&batch=cs
s-ruby&test=rubypos/ruby-position-over-001.html
[23]
https://w3c.github.io/i18n-tests/run?base=css-ruby&batch=css-ruby&test=rubypos/ruby-position-over-001.html
<r12a> [24]https://w3c.github.io/i18n-tests/results/css-ruby
[24] https://w3c.github.io/i18n-tests/results/css-ruby
richard: plh@ has been making additional tooling available to
us
... a flurry of notifications has resulted
... his tool goes through all 60K issues open
... in various WGs
... and checks if they have an i18n-tracker label
... it then cross-checks WG issues against our tracker and
creates one automatically if not
... also a report for tracker vs. needs-resolution, etc.
(inconsistencies in labels)
... also adding ability to inform us if an issue gets closed:
auto sets "close?" in our tracker database
... huge improvement!
RADAR and Active Work Review
[25]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
[25] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
addison: concerned nothing on our radar
What time is this meeting at?
addison: any changes?
<scribe> ACTION: richard: check the time planner in the meeting
page to ensure it is correct for 2020
<trackbot> Created ACTION-856 - Check the time planner in the
meeting page to ensure it is correct for 2020 [on Richard
Ishida - due 2020-02-27].
line breaking and quotation marks
[26]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2020F
eb/0007.html
[26]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2020Feb/0007.html
<r12a> „ OP “ QU
<r12a> [27]https://www.unicode.org/reports/tr14/tr14-39.html#QU
[27] https://www.unicode.org/reports/tr14/tr14-39.html#QU
<r12a> [28]https://www.unicode.org/reports/tr14/tr14-39.html#OP
[28] https://www.unicode.org/reports/tr14/tr14-39.html#OP
<xfq> [29]https://github.com/w3c/clreq/issues/245
[29] https://github.com/w3c/clreq/issues/245
xfq: the problem is that it produces ugly results in chinese
<r12a> "Note: If language information is available, it can be
used to determine which character is used as the opening quote
and which as the closing quote. See the information in Section
6.2, General Punctuation, in [Unicode]. In such a case, the
quotation marks could be tailored to either OP or CL depending
on their actual usage."
<xfq> [30]https://github.com/unicode-org/icu/pull/223
[30] https://github.com/unicode-org/icu/pull/223
xfq: has link to issue in ICU also
<xfq> “
xfq: opening quote is same code point as closing quote in e.g.
german
... uax14 doesn't allow breaks before/after quotation marks
... unlike parenthesis
<r12a> "Some quotation characters can be opening or closing, or
even both, depending on usage. The default is to treat them as
both opening and closing."
xfq: only one class of quotation marks
richard: the QU is the same as opening/closing
... quotes on baseline are OP
... didn't have time to put test together
<r12a>
[31]https://w3c.github.io/i18n-tests/exploratory/line_breaking/
int-line-break?lang=de&fontSize=36&width=556&lineBreak=auto&wor
dBreak=normal&text=hello%20hello%20hello%20hello%20%E2%80%9Ehel
lo%20there%E2%80%9C%20bye%20bye
[31]
https://w3c.github.io/i18n-tests/exploratory/line_breaking/int-line-break?lang=de&fontSize=36&width=556&lineBreak=auto&wordBreak=normal&text=hello
hello hello hello „hello there“ bye bye
<xfq>
[32]https://github.com/w3c/clreq/issues/245#issuecomment-588601
476
[32] https://github.com/w3c/clreq/issues/245#issuecomment-588601476
<JcK> You (or we) just lost the meeting -- I just got
disconnected and told I am the host
<addison_> scribenick: addison_
xfq: can produce some tests, still need next step
<xfq>
[33]https://github.com/unicode-org/icu/pull/223#issuecomment-43
5642278
[33]
https://github.com/unicode-org/icu/pull/223#issuecomment-435642278
addison: do you have examples of chinese working badly
xfq: see above link
<xfq>
[34]https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/8192599/74391127-
9bfdcc00-4e46-11ea-88fb-c582e19c0546.png
[34]
https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/8192599/74391127-9bfdcc00-4e46-11ea-88fb-c582e19c0546.png
richard: shouldn't it break on the comma?
addison: if there's no break before the quote you'd get that
richard: (consults the reference)
... comma is closing (CL)
<r12a> [35]https://www.unicode.org/reports/tr14/tr14-39.html#CL
[35] https://www.unicode.org/reports/tr14/tr14-39.html#CL
addison: CL is no break before, quote is no break before, so
just kind of glueing
... does seem like a tailoring problem
richard: in chinese would also bring down character at end of
previous line
<r12a>
[36]https://w3c.github.io/i18n-tests/exploratory/line_breaking/
int-line-break?lang=zh-hans&fontSize=36&width=766&lineBreak=aut
o&wordBreak=normal&text=%E6%9D%83%E5%9C%A8%E5%B0%8A%E4%B8%A5%E5
%92%8C%E6%9D%83%E5%9C%A8%E5%B0%8A%E4%B8%A5%E5%92%8C%E6%9D%83%E3
%80%81%E2%80%9C%E5%88%A9%E4%B8%8A%E4%B8%80%E2%80%9D%E5%BE%8B%E5
%B9%B3%E7%AD%89%E3%80%82
[36]
https://w3c.github.io/i18n-tests/exploratory/line_breaking/int-line-break?lang=zh-hans&fontSize=36&width=766&lineBreak=auto&wordBreak=normal&text=权在尊严和权在尊严和权、“利上一”律平等。
richard: could be a bug against safari
<scribe> ACTION: xfq: file a bug against safari regarding
quotes and line-breaking in chinese
<trackbot> Created ACTION-857 - File a bug against safari
regarding quotes and line-breaking in chinese [on Fuqiao Xue -
due 2020-02-27].
String-Meta next steps
<scribe> ACTION: addison: remind WG to review string-meta and
make comments
<trackbot> Created ACTION-858 - Remind wg to review string-meta
and make comments [on Addison Phillips - due 2020-02-27].
AOB?
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: addison: remind WG to review string-meta and make
comments
[NEW] ACTION: richard: check the time planner in the meeting
page to ensure it is correct for 2020
[NEW] ACTION: xfq: file a bug against safari regarding quotes
and line-breaking in chinese
Summary of Resolutions
[End of minutes]
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