- From: r12a <ishida@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2019 15:37:28 +0000
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https://www.w3.org/2019/02/07-i18n-minutes.html
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Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
07 Feb 2019
[2]Agenda
[2]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2019Feb/0000.html
Attendees
Present
Bert, JcK, addison, atsushi, r12a, Andrew
Regrets
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
addison
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Agenda and Minutes
2. [5]Action Items
3. [6]Info Share
4. [7]RADAR and Active Work Review
5. [8]RTL Japanese and Chinese
6. [9]<input> types in HTML
7. [10]Publishing APL doc in Jlreq TF
8. [11]String-Meta
9. [12]AOB?
* [13]Summary of Action Items
* [14]Summary of Resolutions
__________________________________________________________
trackbot, prepare teleconference
<agendabot> clear agenda
Agenda and Minutes
Action Items
[15]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
[15] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
action-773?
<trackbot> action-773 -- Addison Phillips to Close all issues
and publish charmod-norm as a wg note (with richard's
assistance) -- due 2019-01-31 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[16]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/773
[16] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/773
close action-773
<trackbot> Closed action-773.
action-774?
<trackbot> action-774 -- Richard Ishida to Publish first public
working draft of string-meta -- due 2019-02-07 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[17]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/774
[17] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/774
Info Share
jck: ietf i18n directorate now set up
RADAR and Active Work Review
[18]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/1
[18] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/1
[19]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/
[19] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/
<r12a> w3c.github.io/typography/gap-analysis/language-matrix
richard: implemented the change in categorization for
typographic stuff as discussed last week
... did this in the language matrix too
<r12a>
[20]http://w3c.github.io/typography/gap-analysis/language-matri
x
[20] http://w3c.github.io/typography/gap-analysis/language-matrix
richard: if you look at the language matrix
... set pagination, other paragraph, other inline to "okay" by
default
... reduced need for investigation
... started retrofitting to gap analysis docs
... for lao and javanese and khmer
... gathering gap analysis from discussion list
... didn't have anywhere to put info
<r12a> [21]https://w3c.github.io/sealreq/lao/
[21] https://w3c.github.io/sealreq/lao/
richard: created new layout requirements docs
<r12a> [22]https://w3c.github.io/sealreq/khmer/
[22] https://w3c.github.io/sealreq/khmer/
<r12a> [23]https://w3c.github.io/sealreq/javanese/
[23] https://w3c.github.io/sealreq/javanese/
richard: pretty much little stubs
addison: any way to automate?
(discussion)
<r12a> [24]https://w3c.github.io/mlreq/
[24] https://w3c.github.io/mlreq/
RTL Japanese and Chinese
<r12a> [25]https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/2754
[25] https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/2754
richard: for your information...
... a little more common in chinese
... question is how to do
... what about punctuation?
... placed in middle of square
... comma might face same way?
... in japanese, the comma is moved to the left of character
square in horizontal
... would you need to reposition it if RTL?
... no one knows, no examples so far
addison: how?
richard: actually vertical text with 1 character per column is
really an urban myth
... it's nonsensical
... horizontal-tbrl was suggested
... but that is inconsistent with writing modes
... key issue is that japanese/chinese are strongly LTR
... UBA relies on character properties
... thinking is to use bidi override with direction=rtl
... embedded numbers/text in <bdo>
... but very similar to "close wrapping" recommendation we do
for normal bidi text
<input> types in HTML
[26]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2019
JanMar/0033.html
[26]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2019JanMar/0033.html
[27]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2019J
anMar/0007.html
[27]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2019JanMar/0007.html
<scribe> ACTION: addison: ping florian in place of chaals for
input type=email
<trackbot> Created ACTION-775 - Ping florian in place of chaals
for input type=email [on Addison Phillips - due 2019-02-14].
richard: info share
Publishing APL doc in Jlreq TF
<r12a> [28]https://w3c.github.io/jlreq/docs/simple-ruby/
[28] https://w3c.github.io/jlreq/docs/simple-ruby/
richard: JL req TF plans to do number of things
... 1. go through errata
... also pick up docs from advanced publishing lab in japan
... this is the first
... "rules for simple placement of ruby"
... didnd't want to put in jlreq directly
... believe we should at least point to it from jlreq
... people might disagree, more a personal opinion?
... need to figure out what status to use
... have a look at it in case of problems
addison: should this really go into TR space? or just be
article? concern about normative appearance
richard: let's have a look
<scribe> ACTION: addison: remind WG to read simple-ruby draft
for next week's teleconference
<trackbot> Created ACTION-776 - Remind wg to read simple-ruby
draft for next week's teleconference [on Addison Phillips - due
2019-02-14].
String-Meta
[29]https://w3c.github.io/string-meta/
[29] https://w3c.github.io/string-meta/
[30]https://w3c.github.io/string-meta/#best-practices-for-commu
nicating-language-and-direction
[30]
https://w3c.github.io/string-meta/#best-practices-for-communicating-language-and-direction
richard: question, one approach is to require say HTML
... can add directional information in HTML in your string
... and doc says we don't recommend this
addison: try to say "probably a terrible idea"
richard: if using metadata, dont you need a closed system in
same way?
... need to be more explicit that this is an idea
AOB?
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: addison: ping florian in place of chaals for
input type=email
[NEW] ACTION: addison: remind WG to read simple-ruby draft for
next week's teleconference
Summary of Resolutions
[End of minutes]
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