- From: r12a <ishida@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 17:44:27 +0100
- To: www International <www-international@w3.org>
https://www.w3.org/2017/10/19-i18n-minutes.html text extract follows: - DRAFT - Internationalization Working Group Teleconference 19 Oct 2017 [2]Agenda [2] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2017Oct/0014.html See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2017/10/19-i18n-irc Attendees Present Bert, Fuqiao, r12a, addison, JcK, Andrew Regrets David, Jan Chair Addison Phillips Scribe Addison Phillips Contents * [4]Topics 1. [5]Agenda 2. [6]Action Items 3. [7]Info Share 4. [8]Radar 5. [9]DNT review, old DNT comment review 6. [10]Low vision needs pending 7. [11]Charmod 8. [12]Low vision needs pending 9. [13]AOB? * [14]Summary of Action Items * [15]Summary of Resolutions __________________________________________________________ <scribe> ScribeNick: addison <scribe> Scribe: Addison Phillips Agenda Action Items action-658? <trackbot> action-658 -- Richard Ishida to Look for latin text with dot or macron below that could cause problems for underline -- due 2017-10-05 -- OPEN <trackbot> [16]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/658 [16] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/658 richard: done, here's a link <r12a> [17]https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/1288#issuecommen t-337883369 [17] https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/1288#issuecomment-337883369 close action-658 <trackbot> Closed action-658. richard: one of the things I needed was way to find which languages use dot-below ... didn't find a way to query ... apart from decode unicode addison: look at cldr? richard: don't have a way to query by character ... might bake something of my own action-662? <trackbot> action-662 -- Addison Phillips to Review dnt and sent an all-clear status to that wg unless something found -- due 2017-10-19 -- OPEN <trackbot> [18]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/662 [18] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/662 close action-662 <trackbot> Closed action-662. action-665? <trackbot> action-665 -- Richard Ishida to Get behnam to forward 497 to the utr53 pri -- due 2017-10-19 -- OPEN <trackbot> [19]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/665 [19] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/665 close action-665 <trackbot> Closed action-665. richard: he forwarded everything, not just the one action-666? <trackbot> action-666 -- Addison Phillips to Talk to unicode folks about ways to cross-pollinate between our groups -- due 2017-10-19 -- OPEN <trackbot> [20]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/666 [20] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/666 addison: talked to Mark Davis, suggestion of CLDR-TC close action-666 <trackbot> Closed action-666. action-668? <trackbot> action-668 -- Richard Ishida to Set up wiki in our repo to capture ideas for engaging folks with our questions -- due 2017-10-19 -- OPEN <trackbot> [21]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/668 [21] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/668 richard: suggested we just do member- email instead ... assuming that works close action-668 <trackbot> Closed action-668. bert: one suggestion for that is there may be others who have similar questions or problems ... maybe ask other groups ... see if they have ideas addison: ask generally? like on chairs? <scribe> ACTION: addison to ping various chairs or the chairs list for ideas on engaging [recorded in [22]http://www.w3.org/2017/10/19-i18n-minutes.html#action01] [22] http://www.w3.org/2017/10/19-i18n-minutes.html#action01 <trackbot> Created ACTION-669 - Ping various chairs or the chairs list for ideas on engaging [on Addison Phillips - due 2017-10-26]. <scribe> ACTION: addison to remind members to send ideas about how to find experts to member list [recorded in [23]http://www.w3.org/2017/10/19-i18n-minutes.html#action02] [23] http://www.w3.org/2017/10/19-i18n-minutes.html#action02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-670 - Remind members to send ideas about how to find experts to member list [on Addison Phillips - due 2017-10-26]. Info Share Radar [24]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/1 [24] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/1 [25]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/ [25] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/ addison: having a hard time finding the matrix <r12a> [26]http://w3c.github.io/typography/gap-analysis/language-matri x.html [26] http://w3c.github.io/typography/gap-analysis/language-matrix.html DNT review, old DNT comment review <r12a> [27]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/ [27] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/ <r12a> [28]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/#tracking-dnt [28] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/#tracking-dnt [29]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93& q=is%3Aissue%20is%3Aopen%20label%3Atracking-dnt [29] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?utf8=✓&q=is:issue is:open label:tracking-dnt richard: discovered we had issues, no reply to them on their mailing list ... second thing was that people started answering the questions/discussion in *our* tracker ... rather than on their list ... so removed 'pending' labels ... and created on their list addison: are they tracked there? [30]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/508 [30] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/508 [31]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/509 [31] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/509 richard: dsinger's suggestion goes back to string-meta ... requires every string to start with a tag addison: have to parse every string to find out the language [32]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/510 [32] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/510 [33]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/34 [33] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/34 richard: looked at latest version of spec potential for close? [34]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/35 [34] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/35 close (same as 508) <r12a> [35]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/36 [35] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/36 addison: I no longer thing this issue is a good one [36]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/35 [36] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/35 [37]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/37 [37] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/37 editorial close [38]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/38 [38] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/38 addison: intended to be an ID that is not intended to be human readable jck: non-ascii identifiers add to confusion or danger The status-id has been intentionally limited to a small set of characters to encourage use of short tokens instead of potentially long, human-readable strings. jck: could let go addison: think we should let go [39]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/39 [39] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/39 addison: 7.4.2 needs same health warning about status-id? bert: links to previous section addison: kill or keep? bert: kill richard: if it is saying that they are just status id's then things are okay ... not a general URI addison: location is not arbitrary bert: can send a redirect addison: but that could be any URI richard: close them all then ... worth asking them why these comments went unanswered for years bert: could be contacts changed? ... can ask richard: curious how fell through cracks <scribe> ACTION: richard to close all dnt issues that need close [recorded in [40]http://www.w3.org/2017/10/19-i18n-minutes.html#action03] [40] http://www.w3.org/2017/10/19-i18n-minutes.html#action03 <trackbot> Created ACTION-671 - Close all dnt issues that need close [on Richard Ishida - due 2017-10-26]. Low vision needs pending Charmod richard: how should I deal with charmod? ... went through and spent more time doing editorial improvements ... raised issues ... part of me wondered fi to raise issues ... versus PR ... so how to proceed Low vision needs pending [41]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/ [41] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/ <r12a> [42]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is %3Aopen+label%3Alow-vision-needs [42] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is:issue+is:open+label:low-vision-needs <r12a> [43]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/#low-vision-need s [43] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/#low-vision-needs [44]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/500 [44] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/500 richard: very similar to wcag review I performed recently ... text is very close <r12a> [45]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/#wcag [45] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/#wcag richard: here's a link to those: ... low vision doc is just requirements ... wcag doc says "in context of content dev for use, this is how reqs translate" ... raised a number of questions that also apply to low vision doc ... haven't cross-ref bert: make links? richard: but carefully ... wcag->low vision maybe more than vice versa ... use in wcag is more targetted ... "languages that use left-to-right scripts" accept [46]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/501 [46] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/501 addison: writing mode problem? richard: look at terse statements, speaking from memory ... how to express those concepts ... think they took advice ... just examples <r12a> User Need - Rewrap: <r12a> Blocks of text rewrap so that only one direction of scrolling is needed, e.g., for left-right and right-left scripts (languages), usually vertical scrolling and not horizontal scrolling. okay [47]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/502 [47] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/502 richard: back on 501, consider this on vertical too ... 502, don't know, think interesting question ... small forms for syllables for kya and such ... forms for dealing with small letters, soetimes prevent from happening at start of line ... maybe consider ... lot of complex scripts are based on syllables ... so maybe not so bad? andrew: grapheme clusters within a syllable richard: didn't say grapheme clusters because of that problem andrew: some browsers break on clusters richard: keep syllables together ... could prevent mid-word breaks bert: two parts of word not next to each other richard: not hyph, but breaking words in our view ... don't know offhand how that applies but quote possible it does [48]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/503 [48] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/503 seems valid richard: maybe phrasing ... bold isn't easy to read because harder to read addison: or italics! richard: doesn't talk about emphasis but rather styling ... underline definitely preferred ... in certain scripts ... need to say "allow users to change bold/italic/underline to culturally preferred idioms" ... to make easier to read [49]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/511 [49] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/511 richard: worried they linked there ... not aware of our articles ... ? AOB? addison: will work on encoding tomorrow <r12a> s/// Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: addison to ping various chairs or the chairs list for ideas on engaging [recorded in [50]http://www.w3.org/2017/10/19-i18n-minutes.html#action01] [NEW] ACTION: addison to remind members to send ideas about how to find experts to member list [recorded in [51]http://www.w3.org/2017/10/19-i18n-minutes.html#action02] [NEW] ACTION: richard to close all dnt issues that need close [recorded in [52]http://www.w3.org/2017/10/19-i18n-minutes.html#action03] [50] http://www.w3.org/2017/10/19-i18n-minutes.html#action01 [51] http://www.w3.org/2017/10/19-i18n-minutes.html#action02 [52] http://www.w3.org/2017/10/19-i18n-minutes.html#action03 Summary of Resolutions [End of minutes]
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