- From: r12a <ishida@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 17:44:27 +0100
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https://www.w3.org/2017/10/19-i18n-minutes.html
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Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
19 Oct 2017
[2]Agenda
[2]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2017Oct/0014.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2017/10/19-i18n-irc
Attendees
Present
Bert, Fuqiao, r12a, addison, JcK, Andrew
Regrets
David, Jan
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
Addison Phillips
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Agenda
2. [6]Action Items
3. [7]Info Share
4. [8]Radar
5. [9]DNT review, old DNT comment review
6. [10]Low vision needs pending
7. [11]Charmod
8. [12]Low vision needs pending
9. [13]AOB?
* [14]Summary of Action Items
* [15]Summary of Resolutions
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<scribe> ScribeNick: addison
<scribe> Scribe: Addison Phillips
Agenda
Action Items
action-658?
<trackbot> action-658 -- Richard Ishida to Look for latin text
with dot or macron below that could cause problems for
underline -- due 2017-10-05 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[16]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/658
[16] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/658
richard: done, here's a link
<r12a>
[17]https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/1288#issuecommen
t-337883369
[17]
https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/1288#issuecomment-337883369
close action-658
<trackbot> Closed action-658.
richard: one of the things I needed was way to find which
languages use dot-below
... didn't find a way to query
... apart from decode unicode
addison: look at cldr?
richard: don't have a way to query by character
... might bake something of my own
action-662?
<trackbot> action-662 -- Addison Phillips to Review dnt and
sent an all-clear status to that wg unless something found --
due 2017-10-19 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[18]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/662
[18] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/662
close action-662
<trackbot> Closed action-662.
action-665?
<trackbot> action-665 -- Richard Ishida to Get behnam to
forward 497 to the utr53 pri -- due 2017-10-19 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[19]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/665
[19] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/665
close action-665
<trackbot> Closed action-665.
richard: he forwarded everything, not just the one
action-666?
<trackbot> action-666 -- Addison Phillips to Talk to unicode
folks about ways to cross-pollinate between our groups -- due
2017-10-19 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[20]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/666
[20] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/666
addison: talked to Mark Davis, suggestion of CLDR-TC
close action-666
<trackbot> Closed action-666.
action-668?
<trackbot> action-668 -- Richard Ishida to Set up wiki in our
repo to capture ideas for engaging folks with our questions --
due 2017-10-19 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[21]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/668
[21] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/668
richard: suggested we just do member- email instead
... assuming that works
close action-668
<trackbot> Closed action-668.
bert: one suggestion for that is there may be others who have
similar questions or problems
... maybe ask other groups
... see if they have ideas
addison: ask generally? like on chairs?
<scribe> ACTION: addison to ping various chairs or the chairs
list for ideas on engaging [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2017/10/19-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
[22] http://www.w3.org/2017/10/19-i18n-minutes.html#action01
<trackbot> Created ACTION-669 - Ping various chairs or the
chairs list for ideas on engaging [on Addison Phillips - due
2017-10-26].
<scribe> ACTION: addison to remind members to send ideas about
how to find experts to member list [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2017/10/19-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
[23] http://www.w3.org/2017/10/19-i18n-minutes.html#action02
<trackbot> Created ACTION-670 - Remind members to send ideas
about how to find experts to member list [on Addison Phillips -
due 2017-10-26].
Info Share
Radar
[24]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/1
[24] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/1
[25]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/
[25] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/
addison: having a hard time finding the matrix
<r12a>
[26]http://w3c.github.io/typography/gap-analysis/language-matri
x.html
[26] http://w3c.github.io/typography/gap-analysis/language-matrix.html
DNT review, old DNT comment review
<r12a> [27]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/
[27] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/
<r12a>
[28]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/#tracking-dnt
[28] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/#tracking-dnt
[29]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&
q=is%3Aissue%20is%3Aopen%20label%3Atracking-dnt
[29] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?utf8=✓&q=is:issue
is:open label:tracking-dnt
richard: discovered we had issues, no reply to them on their
mailing list
... second thing was that people started answering the
questions/discussion in *our* tracker
... rather than on their list
... so removed 'pending' labels
... and created on their list
addison: are they tracked there?
[30]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/508
[30] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/508
[31]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/509
[31] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/509
richard: dsinger's suggestion goes back to string-meta
... requires every string to start with a tag
addison: have to parse every string to find out the language
[32]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/510
[32] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/510
[33]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/34
[33] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/34
richard: looked at latest version of spec
potential for close?
[34]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/35
[34] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/35
close (same as 508)
<r12a> [35]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/36
[35] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/36
addison: I no longer thing this issue is a good one
[36]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/35
[36] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/35
[37]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/37
[37] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/37
editorial
close
[38]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/38
[38] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/38
addison: intended to be an ID that is not intended to be human
readable
jck: non-ascii identifiers add to confusion or danger
The status-id has been intentionally limited to a small set of
characters to encourage use of short tokens instead of
potentially long, human-readable strings.
jck: could let go
addison: think we should let go
[39]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/39
[39] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/39
addison: 7.4.2 needs same health warning about status-id?
bert: links to previous section
addison: kill or keep?
bert: kill
richard: if it is saying that they are just status id's then
things are okay
... not a general URI
addison: location is not arbitrary
bert: can send a redirect
addison: but that could be any URI
richard: close them all then
... worth asking them why these comments went unanswered for
years
bert: could be contacts changed?
... can ask
richard: curious how fell through cracks
<scribe> ACTION: richard to close all dnt issues that need
close [recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2017/10/19-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
[40] http://www.w3.org/2017/10/19-i18n-minutes.html#action03
<trackbot> Created ACTION-671 - Close all dnt issues that need
close [on Richard Ishida - due 2017-10-26].
Low vision needs pending
Charmod
richard: how should I deal with charmod?
... went through and spent more time doing editorial
improvements
... raised issues
... part of me wondered fi to raise issues
... versus PR
... so how to proceed
Low vision needs pending
[41]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/
[41] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/
<r12a>
[42]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is
%3Aopen+label%3Alow-vision-needs
[42]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is:issue+is:open+label:low-vision-needs
<r12a>
[43]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/#low-vision-need
s
[43] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/#low-vision-needs
[44]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/500
[44] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/500
richard: very similar to wcag review I performed recently
... text is very close
<r12a> [45]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/#wcag
[45] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/#wcag
richard: here's a link to those:
... low vision doc is just requirements
... wcag doc says "in context of content dev for use, this is
how reqs translate"
... raised a number of questions that also apply to low vision
doc
... haven't cross-ref
bert: make links?
richard: but carefully
... wcag->low vision maybe more than vice versa
... use in wcag is more targetted
... "languages that use left-to-right scripts"
accept
[46]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/501
[46] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/501
addison: writing mode problem?
richard: look at terse statements, speaking from memory
... how to express those concepts
... think they took advice
... just examples
<r12a> User Need - Rewrap:
<r12a> Blocks of text rewrap so that only one direction of
scrolling is needed, e.g., for left-right and right-left
scripts (languages), usually vertical scrolling and not
horizontal scrolling.
okay
[47]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/502
[47] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/502
richard: back on 501, consider this on vertical too
... 502, don't know, think interesting question
... small forms for syllables for kya and such
... forms for dealing with small letters, soetimes prevent from
happening at start of line
... maybe consider
... lot of complex scripts are based on syllables
... so maybe not so bad?
andrew: grapheme clusters within a syllable
richard: didn't say grapheme clusters because of that problem
andrew: some browsers break on clusters
richard: keep syllables together
... could prevent mid-word breaks
bert: two parts of word not next to each other
richard: not hyph, but breaking words in our view
... don't know offhand how that applies but quote possible it
does
[48]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/503
[48] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/503
seems valid
richard: maybe phrasing
... bold isn't easy to read because harder to read
addison: or italics!
richard: doesn't talk about emphasis but rather styling
... underline definitely preferred
... in certain scripts
... need to say "allow users to change bold/italic/underline to
culturally preferred idioms"
... to make easier to read
[49]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/511
[49] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/511
richard: worried they linked there
... not aware of our articles
... ?
AOB?
addison: will work on encoding tomorrow
<r12a> s///
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: addison to ping various chairs or the chairs list
for ideas on engaging [recorded in
[50]http://www.w3.org/2017/10/19-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: addison to remind members to send ideas about how
to find experts to member list [recorded in
[51]http://www.w3.org/2017/10/19-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: richard to close all dnt issues that need close
[recorded in
[52]http://www.w3.org/2017/10/19-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
[50] http://www.w3.org/2017/10/19-i18n-minutes.html#action01
[51] http://www.w3.org/2017/10/19-i18n-minutes.html#action02
[52] http://www.w3.org/2017/10/19-i18n-minutes.html#action03
Summary of Resolutions
[End of minutes]
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