- From: r12a <ishida@w3.org>
- Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 12:41:04 +0100
- To: www International <www-international@w3.org>
https://www.w3.org/2016/09/01-i18n-minutes.html
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Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
01 Sep 2016
[2]Agenda
[2]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2016Aug/0023.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2016/09/01-i18n-irc
Attendees
Present
JcK, Addison, Barry, Richard, Steve
Regrets
Francesco, Felix
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
Addison Phillips
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Agenda
2. [6]Action Items
3. [7]Info Share
4. [8]RADAR and Active Work Review
5. [9]Issue Triage
6. [10]rb and rtc non-conforming in HTML 5.1
7. [11]I18N Checker review
8. [12]Agenda for TPAC
9. [13]Charmod-Norm
10. [14]Encoding
11. [15]AOB?
* [16]Summary of Action Items
* [17]Summary of Resolutions
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Agenda
Action Items
[18]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
[18] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
Info Share
Greetings to Barry
barry: background, been in ietf for many years
... involved in idna-bis WG, eai WG, other i18n things
... just trying to ramp up participation in w3c
... figure out how this wg work, etc.
richard: sent welcome?
barry: yep
richard: for tpac
... they were thinking of letting people have like labels with
languages
... so that people who didn't understand well could get
interpretation
... convinced them to leave a blank space to fill in using a
bcp47 tag :-)
... wrote some instructions on how to find and assemble a tag
... not only will that help, but raise awareness of what
language tags should look like
... and be a bit of fun
... "find a member of I18N WG for help"
... what's happening with slim review?
barry: will look at it, but earlier is better than later
RADAR and Active Work Review
[19]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/radar/
[19] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/radar/
[20]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/
[20] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/
richard: a lot of work on i18n checker
<r12a>
[21]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/questions/qa-floating-time
s.en
[21] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/questions/qa-floating-times.en
any comments?
richard: will resend mine
Issue Triage
rb and rtc non-conforming in HTML 5.1
richard: putting a link to the list of review comments
<r12a> [22]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/
[22] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/
<r12a> [23]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/215
[23] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/215
richard: snuck in since html5 published
... due maybe to syncing with whatwg document
... says rb and rtc are non-conforming
... added in 5.1
... odd that it's non-conforming
... CSS folks plan to implement jukugo using table model
... and that needs rtc
addison: non-substative because merely an author guideline
richard: any disagreement
addison: call for vote in support of this comment
+1
<Steve_Atkin> +1
<r12a> +1
<barryleiba> +1
call is for: support of the removal of rb and rtc from the list
of tags in the "obsolete" list in html 5.1
<John_C_Klensin> +1
so carried
<scribe> ACTION: richard: forward issue-215 to html asking for
the removal of rb and rtc from the list of "obsolete" tags in
html 5.1 [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2016/09/01-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
[24] http://www.w3.org/2016/09/01-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-548 - Forward issue-215 to html
asking for the removal of rb and rtc from the list of
"obsolete" tags in html 5.1 [on Richard Ishida - due
2016-09-08].
I18N Checker review
<r12a>
[25]https://www.w3.org/International/quicktips/doc/checker
[25] https://www.w3.org/International/quicktips/doc/checker
richard: in process of releasing new version
... should be there tomorrow
<r12a> UTF-8 BOM disagrees with another declaration
<r12a> Non-preferred name used for legacy character encoding
<r12a> Character encoding declaration named an unsupported
encoding
<r12a> A language subtag is invalid
<r12a> A language attribute uses a grandfathered value
<r12a> A language attribute uses zh-CN or zh-TW
<r12a> Escaped characters addressing control code range
<r12a> Incorrect values used for translate attribute
<r12a> Incorrect character escapes for supplementary characters
<r12a> Consider using dir='rtl' on the html tag
<r12a> No rtl markup found
<r12a> CSS is being used to set direction
<r12a> bdo tag found with dir attribute set to auto
<r12a> Invalid directional named character entities found
<r12a> Found Unicode code points for directional controls
<r12a> Found escape sequences for paired directional controls
<r12a> Unpaired directional controls found
<r12a> above are new checks
<r12a> below are substantive changes
<r12a> Character encoding: BOM
<r12a> Character encoding: XML declaration
<r12a> No effective character encoding information
<r12a> meta encoding declarations don't work with XML
<r12a> Incorrect use of meta encoding declarations
<r12a> charset attribute used on a or link elements
<r12a> No character encoding information
<r12a> A tag uses an xml:lang attribute without an associated
lang attribute
<r12a> A tag uses a lang attribute without an associated
xml:lang attribute
<r12a> A language attribute value was incorrectly formed
<r12a> Content-Language meta element used
<r12a> information panel updates:
<r12a> All language tags: lists all language tags used in the
page. If you click on any of the language tags listed, you are
taken to the Language Subtag Lookup tool, which provides
information about validity of the subtags used, lists their
meaning, and provides additional usage tips.
<r12a> Unicode control codes: lists directional controls used
in the document, with a frequency count for each. The list is
divided to reflect actual characters vs. numeric character
references vs. named character references.
<r12a> Notable attributes: lists attributes used that are
typically associated with features needed by an international
audience.
<r12a> Notable elements: the same, but for elements.
U+FFFD count: 0 U+001A count: 0 Overzealous: 0 Mojibake UTF-8:
0 Private Use: 0 Many ?:
<r12a> [26]https://validator.w3.org/i18n-checker/
[26] https://validator.w3.org/i18n-checker/
Agenda for TPAC
richard: had a request from angel, office mgr in china, to talk
about chinese layout task force
... status update
... not a big update on chinese
... expect bobby will be there until thurs morning, would like
to schedule then
addison: works for me to schedule thurs morning
richard: wiki somewhere?
<scribe> ACTION: addison: create agenda schedule for tpac
meeting of i18n wg and reply to inquiries, especially dpub
[recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2016/09/01-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
[27] http://www.w3.org/2016/09/01-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-549 - Create agenda schedule for tpac
meeting of i18n wg and reply to inquiries, especially dpub [on
Addison Phillips - due 2016-09-08].
richard: check with swaran on time
addison: other topics ahead of time??
richard: json/bidi stuff
addison: agree, somewhat urgent
... tried to non-conflict with css/html
richard: arabic layout won't be there
... webannot not there as a wg
... some people will be though
... chat with them about their outstanding issue
addison: as invite-in or hallway?
richard: invite in
... have json discussion first
... send in ideas for things to discuss by email
... look at dpub folks page, just copy it?
Charmod-Norm
<scribe> ACTION: addison: send a request-to-read on
charmod-norm for discussion next week, with an eye to
proceeding to LC [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2016/09/01-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
[28] http://www.w3.org/2016/09/01-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-550 - Send a request-to-read on
charmod-norm for discussion next week, with an eye to
proceeding to lc [on Addison Phillips - due 2016-09-08].
richard: will send pull request on casing
addison: suggest we remove the string searching so we can
finish
Encoding
richard: need to update the disposition of comments
... need to tickle the lists on bug requests
... clear idea of tests results
... before talking to plh
... see him at tpac
AOB?
richard: JSON-bidi notes I wrote up, substantially rearranged
and added some
... may need to re-read if interested
<r12a>
[29]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-discuss/notes/json-bidi.html
[29] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-discuss/notes/json-bidi.html
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: addison: create agenda schedule for tpac meeting
of i18n wg and reply to inquiries, especially dpub [recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2016/09/01-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: addison: send a request-to-read on charmod-norm
for discussion next week, with an eye to proceeding to LC
[recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2016/09/01-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: richard: forward issue-215 to html asking for the
removal of rb and rtc from the list of "obsolete" tags in html
5.1 [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2016/09/01-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
[30] http://www.w3.org/2016/09/01-i18n-minutes.html#action02
[31] http://www.w3.org/2016/09/01-i18n-minutes.html#action03
[32] http://www.w3.org/2016/09/01-i18n-minutes.html#action01
Summary of Resolutions
[End of minutes]
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