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Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
23 Jun 2016
[2]Agenda
[2]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2016Jun/0029.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2016/06/23-i18n-irc
Attendees
Present
Steve, Addison, JcK, Richard, Najib
Regrets
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
Addison Phillips
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Agenda
2. [6]Action Items
3. [7]Info Share
4. [8]RADAR and Active Work Review
5. [9]HTML 5.1 comments
6. [10]Move custom counter styles to Note
7. [11]Encoding spec
8. [12]AOB?
* [13]Summary of Action Items
* [14]Summary of Resolutions
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<scribe> Agenda:
[15]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2016J
un/0030.html
[15]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2016Jun/0030.html
Agenda
Action Items
[16]https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
[16] https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
close action-399
<trackbot> Closed action-399.
action-404?
<trackbot> action-404 -- Dennis Tan Tanaka to Check on zwj and
friends in idna so that we can document in charmod-norm -- due
2015-02-19 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[17]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/404
[17] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/404
we decided that idna and friends are out of scope for charmod
close action-404
<trackbot> Closed action-404.
Info Share
reminder: sign up for TPAC!
richard: published the specdev
... and counter styles else in TR using echidna
... was really easy
addison: saw your email will try with charmod
richard: unicode 9 released on tuesday
... and uniview is updated
RADAR and Active Work Review
[18]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/radar/
[18] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/radar/
[19]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/
[19] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/
<scribe> ACTION: addison: ping martin about unicode in xml
[recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2016/06/23-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
[20] http://www.w3.org/2016/06/23-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-534 - Ping martin about unicode in
xml [on Addison Phillips - due 2016-06-30].
richard: no comments on time and dates essential comments
... due yesterday
... so publish it?
yep
<JcK> FWIW, I forwarded the "time thing" announcement to a
couple of IETF folks concerned about the issues, one of whom
apparently re-forwarded to the mail calendaring list. So there
should be no shortage of people with an opportunity to review
HTML 5.1 comments
[21]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/
[21] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/
[22]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/159
[22] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/159
richard: need to step back a bit more
<r12a> [23]http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/
[23] http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/
[24]https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/341
[24] https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/341
want to leave in, could be useful in some languages
use the incubator was suggested
addison: recollection was that this was kept in for past
compat, that list-style-type was meant to replace it
... we'd want this taken away but for compat?
richard: if could auto-detect label, that'd be a cool feature
... write note before we close it saying we don't agree?
<r12a> [25]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/33
[25] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/33
<scribe> ACTION: addison: add note to issue 33 saying we don't
agree before closing [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2016/06/23-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
[26] http://www.w3.org/2016/06/23-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-535 - Add note to issue 33 saying we
don't agree before closing [on Addison Phillips - due
2016-06-30].
[27]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/128
[27] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/128
close 127
127 is not a typo
close 128. theyy added type=submit to the ones that are default
translatable
[28]https://github.com/w3c/html/pull/503
[28] https://github.com/w3c/html/pull/503
[29]https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/343
[29] https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/343
<r12a> [30]https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/133
[30] https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/133
add a question about whether to be addressed or not
and 5.1 or 5.2?
richard: closing all annotation model comments since no
objections
Move custom counter styles to Note
css working group has been discussing plans for next charter
period
scribe: and supposed to be 3 year charter
... number of docs to rec in that time
... one is counter styles
... they expect it in rec in 2018
... thinking our draft might as well be a WG Note, rather than
continue waiting for their publication
(predefined counter styles)
richard: it's currently a WD
call for a vote on publishing "custom built counter styles" as
a WG Note
scribe: short name is predefined-counter-styles
<r12a> [31]http://w3c.github.io/predefined-counter-styles/
http://w3c.github.io/predefined-counter-styles/
+1
<r12a> +1
<najib> +1
<JcK> +1
<Steve_Atkin> +1
so resolved
<scribe> ACTION: richard: publish predefined-counter-styles as
a WG Note [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2016/06/23-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
[32] http://www.w3.org/2016/06/23-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-536 - Publish
predefined-counter-styles as a wg note [on Richard Ishida - due
2016-06-30].
Encoding spec
richard: need to take a decision to publish a new version of
the Encoding CR
... there have been substantive changes since October
<r12a> [33]https://github.com/whatwg/encoding/issues
[33] https://github.com/whatwg/encoding/issues
richard: re-worked the double byte tests
... submitted pull requests to WPT
... link is to whatwg list for encoding
... created 7 issues there
... hoping they will get some impl discussion
... three possibilities
... one is to fix browser
... change spec to match browser
... or problem with the test
... hopefully not the last
<r12a>
[34]https://www.w3.org/International/tests/repo/results/encodin
g-dbl-byte.en
[34]
https://www.w3.org/International/tests/repo/results/encoding-dbl-byte.en
<r12a>
[35]https://www.w3.org/International/tests/repo/results/encodin
g-dbl-byte.en#gb18030
[35]
https://www.w3.org/International/tests/repo/results/encoding-dbl-byte.en#gb18030
<scribe> ACTION: addison: file bugs against failing browsers,
referring back to the encoding issue list, and update the
encoding issues [recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2016/06/23-i18n-minutes.html#action04]
[36] http://www.w3.org/2016/06/23-i18n-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-537 - File bugs against failing
browsers, referring back to the encoding issue list, and update
the encoding issues [on Addison Phillips - due 2016-06-30].
richard: the encodings I reworked was multibyte
... haven't revisited single byte tests, generally better shape
... passing tests with two impls is a CR requirement
... weird thing here is 750K subtests
... when you see a "partial", that means like 0.0001% of tests
might have failed
... usually not more than 1%
... is a failure rate of < 1% mean it doesn't count
addison: very many tests where we don't have two
?
richard: majority
<r12a>
[37]https://www.w3.org/International/tests/repo/results/encodin
g-sb-dec
[37]
https://www.w3.org/International/tests/repo/results/encoding-sb-dec
steven: gb18030 concerns me the most
richard: test here is conformance to encoding spec
... might not be same as where gb18030 is defined elsewhere
... may be due to new version of 18030? maybe 18030:2005??
... anne doesn't expect mappings to be identical to other
people's
... based on browser behaivor
... or merging things
... more tests coming shortly through this process
... replacement encoding and utf-16 encodings and maybe
user-defined
steven: is there an impact on node.js
addison: js is a unicode beast
steven: need to think about more, want to think about it. could
be subtle
resolve to publish a new CR?
richard: may need to pub another one later
... problem is that current snapshot is confusing since it
doesn't match whatwg version
... your TR isn't up to date
addison: can just track publish if whatwg's changes
... mapping tables different from spec/algorithm
richard: no tests for API either
<scribe> ACTION: addison: work with richard and PLH to
establish procedure for bringing changes to encoding forward
[recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2016/06/23-i18n-minutes.html#action05]
[38] http://www.w3.org/2016/06/23-i18n-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-538 - Work with richard and plh to
establish procedure for bringing changes to encoding forward
[on Addison Phillips - due 2016-06-30].
resolve: in principle publish new encoding CR?
+1
<r12a> +1
<Steve_Atkin> +1
<najib> +1
<JcK> +1 (with procedural note)
addison: additional changes including exit of CR requires WG
approval
<JcK> +1 with "in principle"
AOB?
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: addison: add note to issue 33 saying we don't
agree before closing [recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2016/06/23-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: addison: file bugs against failing browsers,
referring back to the encoding issue list, and update the
encoding issues [recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2016/06/23-i18n-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: addison: ping martin about unicode in xml
[recorded in
[41]http://www.w3.org/2016/06/23-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: addison: work with richard and PLH to establish
procedure for bringing changes to encoding forward [recorded in
[42]http://www.w3.org/2016/06/23-i18n-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: richard: publish predefined-counter-styles as a
WG Note [recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2016/06/23-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
[39] http://www.w3.org/2016/06/23-i18n-minutes.html#action02
[40] http://www.w3.org/2016/06/23-i18n-minutes.html#action04
[41] http://www.w3.org/2016/06/23-i18n-minutes.html#action01
[42] http://www.w3.org/2016/06/23-i18n-minutes.html#action05
[43] http://www.w3.org/2016/06/23-i18n-minutes.html#action03
Summary of Resolutions
[End of minutes]
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