[minutes] Internationalization telecon 2015-07-02


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Internationalization Working Group Teleconference

02 Jul 2015



    See also: [3]IRC log

       [3] http://www.w3.org/2015/07/02-i18n-irc


           Addison, Steve, Dennis, Richard, David

           Leandro, JcK

           Addison Phillips

           Addison Phillips


      * [4]Topics
          1. [5]Agenda
          2. [6]Action Items
          3. [7]Info Share
          4. [8]RADAR and Active Work Review
          5. [9]CSV Comments
      * [10]Summary of Action Items


Action Items


    <trackbot> action-364 -- Richard Ishida to Document how
    "sticky" language negotiation is done in our pages as an
    article -- due 2014-11-07 -- OPEN


      [11] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/364

    richard: put out first draft for review


      [12] http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-site-conneg

    close action-364

    <trackbot> Closed action-364.


    <trackbot> action-399 -- Dennis Tan Tanaka to Update article
    "an introduction to multilingual web addresses" -- due
    2015-02-12 -- OPEN


      [13] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/399

    dennis: sent richard my edits

    richard: what more will we do?
    ... some sections may need up updating
    ... some about domain names and some about path names

    <r12a> will you work on path sections as well as domain name

    <r12a> Dennis, will you work on path sections as well as domain
    name sections?

    <DennisTan> Not an expert on path but I came find sources to
    update path sections


    <trackbot> action-404 -- Dennis Tan Tanaka to Check on zwj and
    friends in idna so that we can document in charmod-norm -- due
    2015-02-19 -- OPEN


      [14] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/404


    <trackbot> action-444 -- Addison Phillips to Write to w3
    parties requesting that the publication tool be updated to
    support note track documents after richard identifiers who to
    ping -- due 2015-06-04 -- OPEN


      [15] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/444

    richard: had lots of discussions with folks but not a lot of
    ... have to change way documents are referred to with IDs
    ... have to change before this can be addressed
    ... no commitment
    ... worth you writing this, bearing in mind that you'll
    probably be told no

    addison: just the echidna team?

    richard: if you write to plh, he'll tell you he already
    explained it
    ... echidna-issues as chair?
    ... listed the documents that we need it for in my request,
    demonstrates genuine need


    <trackbot> action-447 -- Richard Ishida to Publish updated
    version of klreq -- due 2015-07-02 -- OPEN


      [16] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/447

    close action-447

    <trackbot> Closed action-447.


    <trackbot> action-448 -- Addison Phillips to Write a proposal
    to the working group for options in handling language and
    direction metadata in cases such as mediastream labels -- due
    2015-07-02 -- OPEN


      [17] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/448

    addison: done at


    close action-448

    <trackbot> Closed action-448.

    close action-449

    <trackbot> Closed action-449.


    <trackbot> action-450 -- Richard Ishida to Ask dom to change
    settings to notify of all traffic on our issues via email --
    due 2015-07-02 -- OPEN


      [19] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/450

    close action-450

    <trackbot> Closed action-450.

    richard: he's already done it

Info Share

    <r12a> [20]http://w3c.github.io/tlreq/

      [20] http://w3c.github.io/tlreq/

    richard: have the beginnings of a requirements document
    ... tibetan
    ... only a beginning... don't get too excited
    ... go ahead from plh on both arabic and ethiopic
    ... coming week or so
    ... get them set up
    ... mongolian stuff
    ... got some people on the list
    ... greg eck sent a note
    ... working on standardized use of mongolian variation

RADAR and Active Work Review


      [21] https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar


      [22] https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Project_radar

    richard: reviewing tab related metadata
    ... tabular data on the web
    ... as well as metadata vocab
    ... layout requirements
    ... chinese is moving along
    ... angel is out this week
    ... need to develop a plan
    ... further changes to vertical text article


      [23] http://www.w3.org/International/articles/vertical-text/

    addison: javascript, had coffee with norbert
    ... the es-402 effort is kind of stalled other than being made
    consistenti with es-2015

CSV Comments




      [25] https://github.com/w3c/csvw/issues/617

    human readable formats for numeric percentages

    richard: they say in numbers section
    ... to be recognized as a number, pass these criteria
    ... have to have a percent sign after
    ... have a decimal and thousands separator
    ... didn't specify one before
    ... there are other patterns you might not account for
    ... implementers should allow patterns described in CLDR
    ... won't have to reissue csv spec
    ... they specify plus and minus signs

    addison: will create trac issues, because the assumptions are

    richard: should csv folks ...
    ... they changed to allow percent before/after, some spaces,



    addison: only ascii digits
    ... what about html5?

    richard: did suggest early on?


    addison: agree we should push back, they should use cldr
    patters and tokens to accomplish this
    ... use same data values

    steve: need to support cldr
    ... that's how we're presenting data---based on these formats

    <scribe> ACTION: addison: respond on csvw issue 617 officially
    explaining that the WG believes that CLDR's values and data
    structures are needed [recorded in

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-451 - Respond on csvw issue 617
    officially explaining that the wg believes that cldr's values
    and data structures are needed [on Addison Phillips - due

    richard: ivan proposed a compromise, haven't reviewed yet


      [28] https://github.com/w3c/csvw/issues/620

    determining cell text direction

    richard: things are messy for text direction
    ... explaining what's going on
    ... mati's response not yet included

    <r12a> [29]https://github.com/w3c/csvw/pull/638

      [29] https://github.com/w3c/csvw/pull/638

    richard: here is Jeni's request for review of changes



    richard: mati raised additional issues
    ... this is complicated to discuss

    steve: mati looking for inheritance hierarchy of direction

    richard: if you set a default direction and then look for first
    ... explained you only want one
    ... mati has some good comments on hierarchy
    ... they say somewhere in here is a default
    ... and the default is inherit
    ... bring in ivan now?

    addison: okay



    addison: can't have a default of inherit
    ... most places default is ltr

    richard: should it be auto
    ... timing for comments

    ivan: under extreme time pressure
    ... charter ends in september or so
    ... so want to publish a CR
    ... transition call in a week
    ... if deadline cannot hold, it's difficult
    ... we'd have to extend charter, CR needed to help ensure that


      [32] https://github.com/w3c/csvw/issues/618


      [33] https://github.com/w3c/csvw/issues/617#issuecomment-118039661


      [34] http://w3c.github.io/ltli/



    ivan: can you put this alternative in?

    richard: yes, will do it tomorrow?
    ... will do tonight

    addison: will read and comment; waiting on richard to comment
    on numbers

Summary of Action Items

    [NEW] ACTION: addison: respond on csvw issue 617 officially
    explaining that the WG believes that CLDR's values and data
    structures are needed [recorded in

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