- From: Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>
- Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 17:34:53 +0100
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www.w3.org/2015/07/02-i18n-minutes.html
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Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
02 Jul 2015
[2]Agenda
[2]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2015Jul/0001.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2015/07/02-i18n-irc
Attendees
Present
Addison, Steve, Dennis, Richard, David
Regrets
Leandro, JcK
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
Addison Phillips
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Agenda
2. [6]Action Items
3. [7]Info Share
4. [8]RADAR and Active Work Review
5. [9]CSV Comments
* [10]Summary of Action Items
__________________________________________________________
Agenda
Action Items
action-364?
<trackbot> action-364 -- Richard Ishida to Document how
"sticky" language negotiation is done in our pages as an
article -- due 2014-11-07 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[11]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/364
[11] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/364
richard: put out first draft for review
<r12a>
[12]http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-site-conneg
[12] http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-site-conneg
close action-364
<trackbot> Closed action-364.
action-399?
<trackbot> action-399 -- Dennis Tan Tanaka to Update article
"an introduction to multilingual web addresses" -- due
2015-02-12 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[13]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/399
[13] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/399
dennis: sent richard my edits
richard: what more will we do?
... some sections may need up updating
... some about domain names and some about path names
<r12a> will you work on path sections as well as domain name
sections
<r12a> Dennis, will you work on path sections as well as domain
name sections?
<DennisTan> Not an expert on path but I came find sources to
update path sections
action-404?
<trackbot> action-404 -- Dennis Tan Tanaka to Check on zwj and
friends in idna so that we can document in charmod-norm -- due
2015-02-19 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[14]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/404
[14] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/404
action-444?
<trackbot> action-444 -- Addison Phillips to Write to w3
parties requesting that the publication tool be updated to
support note track documents after richard identifiers who to
ping -- due 2015-06-04 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[15]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/444
[15] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/444
richard: had lots of discussions with folks but not a lot of
headway
... have to change way documents are referred to with IDs
... have to change before this can be addressed
... no commitment
... worth you writing this, bearing in mind that you'll
probably be told no
addison: just the echidna team?
richard: if you write to plh, he'll tell you he already
explained it
... echidna-issues as chair?
... listed the documents that we need it for in my request,
demonstrates genuine need
action-447?
<trackbot> action-447 -- Richard Ishida to Publish updated
version of klreq -- due 2015-07-02 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[16]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/447
[16] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/447
close action-447
<trackbot> Closed action-447.
action-448?
<trackbot> action-448 -- Addison Phillips to Write a proposal
to the working group for options in handling language and
direction metadata in cases such as mediastream labels -- due
2015-07-02 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[17]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/448
[17] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/448
addison: done at
[18]https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/ContentMetadataJavaSc
riptDiscussion
[18]
https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/ContentMetadataJavaScriptDiscussion
close action-448
<trackbot> Closed action-448.
close action-449
<trackbot> Closed action-449.
action-450?
<trackbot> action-450 -- Richard Ishida to Ask dom to change
settings to notify of all traffic on our issues via email --
due 2015-07-02 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[19]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/450
[19] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/450
close action-450
<trackbot> Closed action-450.
richard: he's already done it
Info Share
<r12a> [20]http://w3c.github.io/tlreq/
[20] http://w3c.github.io/tlreq/
richard: have the beginnings of a requirements document
... tibetan
... only a beginning... don't get too excited
... go ahead from plh on both arabic and ethiopic
... coming week or so
... get them set up
... mongolian stuff
... got some people on the list
... greg eck sent a note
... working on standardized use of mongolian variation
selectors
RADAR and Active Work Review
[21]https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar
[21] https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar
[22]https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Project_radar
[22] https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Project_radar
richard: reviewing tab related metadata
... tabular data on the web
... as well as metadata vocab
... layout requirements
... chinese is moving along
... angel is out this week
... need to develop a plan
... further changes to vertical text article
<r12a>
[23]http://www.w3.org/International/articles/vertical-text/
[23] http://www.w3.org/International/articles/vertical-text/
addison: javascript, had coffee with norbert
... the es-402 effort is kind of stalled other than being made
consistenti with es-2015
CSV Comments
<r12a>
[24]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2015J
ul/0000.html
[24]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2015Jul/0000.html
[25]https://github.com/w3c/csvw/issues/617
[25] https://github.com/w3c/csvw/issues/617
human readable formats for numeric percentages
richard: they say in numbers section
... to be recognized as a number, pass these criteria
... have to have a percent sign after
... have a decimal and thousands separator
... didn't specify one before
... there are other patterns you might not account for
... implementers should allow patterns described in CLDR
... won't have to reissue csv spec
... they specify plus and minus signs
addison: will create trac issues, because the assumptions are
wrong
richard: should csv folks ...
... they changed to allow percent before/after, some spaces,
etc.
[26]http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/WD-tabular-data-model-20150416/#f
ormats-for-numeric-types
[26]
http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/WD-tabular-data-model-20150416/#formats-for-numeric-types
addison: only ascii digits
... what about html5?
richard: did suggest early on?
(333.33)
addison: agree we should push back, they should use cldr
patters and tokens to accomplish this
... use same data values
steve: need to support cldr
... that's how we're presenting data---based on these formats
<scribe> ACTION: addison: respond on csvw issue 617 officially
explaining that the WG believes that CLDR's values and data
structures are needed [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2015/07/02-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-451 - Respond on csvw issue 617
officially explaining that the wg believes that cldr's values
and data structures are needed [on Addison Phillips - due
2015-07-09].
richard: ivan proposed a compromise, haven't reviewed yet
[28]https://github.com/w3c/csvw/issues/620
[28] https://github.com/w3c/csvw/issues/620
determining cell text direction
richard: things are messy for text direction
... explaining what's going on
... mati's response not yet included
<r12a> [29]https://github.com/w3c/csvw/pull/638
[29] https://github.com/w3c/csvw/pull/638
richard: here is Jeni's request for review of changes
<r12a>
[30]https://github.com/w3c/csvw/commit/371df96619086f6c62ce7e17
81fcf5fb94055415
[30]
https://github.com/w3c/csvw/commit/371df96619086f6c62ce7e1781fcf5fb94055415
richard: mati raised additional issues
... this is complicated to discuss
steve: mati looking for inheritance hierarchy of direction
richard: if you set a default direction and then look for first
strong
... explained you only want one
... mati has some good comments on hierarchy
... they say somewhere in here is a default
... and the default is inherit
... bring in ivan now?
addison: okay
[31]https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m57e9ca8f57e92da37d5be
b9cf9f03c9f
[31]
https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m57e9ca8f57e92da37d5beb9cf9f03c9f
addison: can't have a default of inherit
... most places default is ltr
richard: should it be auto
... timing for comments
ivan: under extreme time pressure
... charter ends in september or so
... so want to publish a CR
... transition call in a week
... if deadline cannot hold, it's difficult
... we'd have to extend charter, CR needed to help ensure that
[32]https://github.com/w3c/csvw/issues/618
[32] https://github.com/w3c/csvw/issues/618
<ivan>
[33]https://github.com/w3c/csvw/issues/617#issuecomment-1180396
61
[33] https://github.com/w3c/csvw/issues/617#issuecomment-118039661
[34]http://w3c.github.io/ltli/
[34] http://w3c.github.io/ltli/
<r12a>
[35]http://www.unicode.org/cldr/charts/latest/by_type/numbers.n
umber_formatting_patterns.html
[35]
http://www.unicode.org/cldr/charts/latest/by_type/numbers.number_formatting_patterns.html
ivan: can you put this alternative in?
richard: yes, will do it tomorrow?
... will do tonight
addison: will read and comment; waiting on richard to comment
on numbers
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: addison: respond on csvw issue 617 officially
explaining that the WG believes that CLDR's values and data
structures are needed [recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2015/07/02-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
[End of minutes]
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