- From: Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2015 16:07:19 +0000
- To: www International <www-international@w3.org>
http://www.w3.org/2015/03/19-i18n-minutes.html
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Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
19 Mar 2015
[2]Agenda
[2]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2015Mar/0010.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2015/03/19-i18n-irc
Attendees
Present
Addison, Richard, Mati, JcK, David, Xiaoqian
Regrets
Felix, Steven, Dennis
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
aphillip
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Agenda
2. [6]Action Items
3. [7]Info Share
4. [8]RADAR and Active Work Review
5. [9]TPAC attendance
6. [10]Best Practices when writing Specifications
7. [11]Web VTT review
8. [12]AOB?
* [13]Summary of Action Items
__________________________________________________________
Agenda
agenda
Action Items
action-360?
<trackbot> action-360 -- Xiaoqian Wu to Survey publishers if
there are requirements for additional/more specific styles in
chinese e-books -- due 2014-11-06 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[14]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/360
[14] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/360
close action-360
<trackbot> Closed action-360.
close action-382
<trackbot> Closed action-382.
close action-415
<trackbot> Closed action-415.
close action-416
<trackbot> Closed action-416.
Info Share
JcK: ietf discussion around unicode "anomalies" continues
... high noise/signal ratio
... more concrete action next week
richard: someone said "this is more difficult and complicated
than we thought"
Jck: it's lots more complicated
... one problem is statements in unicode about how codes points
relate to each other
... another issue is that isolated problem in arabic and a few
other scripts
... it seems that latin and most others have this issue
... two drafts out trying to describe problem
... will post links here
RADAR and Active Work Review
[15]https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar
[15] https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar
[16]https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Project_radar
[16] https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Project_radar
chinese layout requirements
xiaoqian: release editors draft
... some progress on tibetan document
... publish english version as soon as possible after update
richard: test developments
... submitting pull requests for tests I developed
... transform tests
... questions about one on css list
... started work on additional tests on css counter styles
... already have tests, but they added a bunch of new ones just
before CR
... so adding tests for those
<scribe> ACTION: addison: talk to anne/joshua about how to
solicit tests for encoding [recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2015/03/19-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-417 - Talk to anne/joshua about how
to solicit tests for encoding [on Addison Phillips - due
2015-03-26].
ruby
richard: just talked to bobby
... looking for opentype experts on how to make bopomofo ruby
work
... questions on css lists there
<JcK> On the Unicode matching problem, now better described as
non-decomposable characters although that isn't right either
the two drafts I mentioned are:
<JcK>
[18]https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-klensin-idna-5892upd
-unicode70/
[18]
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-klensin-idna-5892upd-unicode70/
<JcK>
[19]https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sullivan-lucid-prob-
stmt/
[19] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sullivan-lucid-prob-stmt/
<JcK> Substantively, the second is to some extent a subset of
the first.
<JcK> Might also be worth looking at
<JcK>
[20]http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/lucid/current/msg00020
.html
[20] http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/lucid/current/msg00020.html
<JcK> which introduces the "coding artifact vs. confusability"
characterization.
<JcK> The LUCID BOF, which will be the next major discussion
venue, is next Wednesday at IETF 92. Mailing list info at
[21]https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lucid
[21] https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lucid
<koji> Didn't Bobby already get support from But Ko?
predefined counter styles
richard: now in github
TPAC attendance
richard: anyone going to attend TPAC in Sapporo Japan in the
fall?
... do we want a room?
David: considering attending
xiaoqian: can get more participants in asia this year
<scribe> ACTION: addison: send note on member list asking for
tpac attendance [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2015/03/19-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-418 - Send note on member list asking
for tpac attendance [on Addison Phillips - due 2015-03-26].
[23]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2015J
anMar/0082.html
[23]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2015JanMar/0082.html
Best Practices when writing Specifications
<r12a>
[24]http://www.w3.org/International/techniques/developing-specs
-dynamic
[24]
http://www.w3.org/International/techniques/developing-specs-dynamic
richard: added new items in typographic support
... links to new document
<r12a> [25]http://w3c.github.io/bp-i18n-specdev/
[25] http://w3c.github.io/bp-i18n-specdev/
richard: links to new document because new information (not
much new yet...)
... created while doing webvtt review last nigtht
... when making comment, made guideline at same time
<r12a> [26]http://w3c.github.io/bp-i18n-specdev/#type_linebreak
[26] http://w3c.github.io/bp-i18n-specdev/#type_linebreak
richard: doing mostly ad hoc development of document
... this is just a place to put info when you don't have it
elsewhere
... getting a number of tweets/favorites on it
... mati already looked at bidi
... everyone look at this please?
<scribe> ACTION: addison: remind working group to review the bp
draft and supply comments on existing materials, volunteer to
add materials, or provide other comments [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2015/03/19-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-419 - Remind working group to review
the bp draft and supply comments on existing materials,
volunteer to add materials, or provide other comments [on
Addison Phillips - due 2015-03-26].
addison: harvest past trackers?
Web VTT review
[28]http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/73
[28] http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/73
issue-418?>?
<trackbot> issue-418 -- observation: line wrapping, line
balancing ⓟ -- open
<trackbot> [29]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/418
[29] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/418
[30]http://www.w3.org/TR/webvtt1/#cues-with-multiple-lines
[30] http://www.w3.org/TR/webvtt1/#cues-with-multiple-lines
issue-434?
<trackbot> issue-434 -- 3.1 Line wrapping for non-Latin scripts
ⓟ -- open
<trackbot> [31]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/434
[31] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/434
<r12a> Line wrapping should take into account the special rules
needed for scripts ... It would be good, as a minimum, to
remind implementers that script-specific wrapping algorithms
need to be supported for WebVTT content
<r12a> No mention is made of default settings for the
line-break and word-break properties
addison: fold 418 into 434
... or change 418 to refer to having a non-English example of
"balancing" in section 1.1
issue-419?
<trackbot> issue-419 -- term "NOTE" may not be friendly to
users in other languages ⓟ -- open
<trackbot> [32]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/419
[32] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/419
Comments in a WebVTT file are introduced by the string "NOTE"
in English. This serves as the same kind of marker that tokens
such as # or // or /* */ do in some programming languages or
formats. Using an English word is less accessible for
international/non-English users than the use of a symbolic
token.
issue-420?
<trackbot> issue-420 -- no provision for indicating overall
content language(s) ⓟ -- open
<trackbot> [33]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/420
[33] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/420
<Leandro> No objections
issue-421?
<trackbot> issue-421 -- non-ASCII examples? ⓟ -- open
<trackbot> [34]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/421
[34] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/421
issue-422?
<trackbot> issue-422 -- start/end linked to left/right ⓟ --
open
<trackbot> [35]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/422
[35] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/422
The first cue has its cue box left aligned at the 10% mark of
the video viewport width and the text is left aligned within
that box - probably underneath a speaker on the left of the
video image. "start" alignment of the cue box is the default
for start aligned text, so does not need to be specified in
"position". The second cue has its cue box right aligned at the
90% mark of the video viewport width. The same effect can be
achieved with "position:55%,st[CUT]
richard: had another look yesterday
addison: doesn't actually *say* it
richard: don't know where directionality is declared, just use
first strong
issue-423?
<trackbot> issue-423 -- Optional BOM ⓟ -- open
<trackbot> [36]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/423
[36] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/423
kill 423
issue-424?
<trackbot> issue-424 -- Why not ABNF/EBNF? ⓟ -- open
<trackbot> [37]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/424
[37] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/424
richard: add railroad diagrams as an example
issue-425?
<trackbot> issue-425 -- Normalization and string identity
issues ⓟ -- open
<trackbot> [38]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/425
[38] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/425
[39]http://www.w3.org/TR/webvtt1/#webvtt-file-structure
[39] http://www.w3.org/TR/webvtt1/#webvtt-file-structure
richard: add link to charmod
... support
issue-426?
<trackbot> issue-426 -- zero or more characters? ⓟ -- open
<trackbot> [40]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/426
[40] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/426
<r12a> no objection
A WebVTT cue settings list consist of a sequence of zero or
more WebVTT cue settings in any order, separated from each
other by one or more U+0020 SPACE characters
issue-427?
<trackbot> issue-427 -- WebVTT percentage ⓟ -- open
<trackbot> [41]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/427
[41] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/427
<r12a> no objection
issue-428?
<trackbot> issue-428 -- 4.3.2 emphasis spans ⓟ -- open
<trackbot> [42]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/428
[42] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/428
issue-429?
<trackbot> issue-429 -- "valid" language tag ⓟ -- open
<trackbot> [43]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/429
[43] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/429
<r12a> no objection
issue-430?
<trackbot> issue-430 -- 4.3.2 Very few character escapes ⓟ --
open
<trackbot> [44]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/430
[44] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/430
issue-431?
<trackbot> issue-431 -- ruby + rt sufficient? ⓟ -- open
<trackbot> [45]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/431
[45] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/431
richard: this is only part of the general ruby model. did you
intend to be so specific or just looking at old version of
html?
issue-432?
<trackbot> issue-432 -- 6.2.1 processing model handling of bidi
ⓟ -- open
<trackbot> [46]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/432
[46] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/432
issue-434?
<trackbot> issue-434 -- 3.1 Line wrapping for non-Latin scripts
ⓟ -- open
<trackbot> [47]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/434
[47] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/434
issue-435?
<trackbot> issue-435 -- 3.2 scroll value and vertical writing ⓟ
-- open
<trackbot> [48]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/435
[48] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/435
no objection
issue-436?
<trackbot> issue-436 -- 6.2.1 line heights ⓟ -- open
<trackbot> [49]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/436
[49] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/436
no objection
addison: ready to submit?
<matial> yes
richard: yes
<scribe> ACTION: addison: clean up and submit webvtt comments
based on today's teleconference [recorded in
[50]http://www.w3.org/2015/03/19-i18n-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-420 - Clean up and submit webvtt
comments based on today's teleconference [on Addison Phillips -
due 2015-03-26].
AOB?
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: addison: clean up and submit webvtt comments
based on today's teleconference [recorded in
[51]http://www.w3.org/2015/03/19-i18n-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: addison: remind working group to review the bp
draft and supply comments on existing materials, volunteer to
add materials, or provide other comments [recorded in
[52]http://www.w3.org/2015/03/19-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: addison: send note on member list asking for tpac
attendance [recorded in
[53]http://www.w3.org/2015/03/19-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: addison: talk to anne/joshua about how to solicit
tests for encoding [recorded in
[54]http://www.w3.org/2015/03/19-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
[End of minutes]
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