- From: Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 20:50:11 +0000
- To: www International <www-international@w3.org>
http://www.w3.org/2015/01/22-i18n-minutes.html
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Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
22 Jan 2015
[2]Agenda
[2]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2015Jan/0009.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2015/01/22-i18n-irc
Attendees
Present
Addison, Richard, Mati, Somnath, David, JcK, Felix,
Steve, Dennis, Koji
Regrets
Leandro
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
Addison Phillips
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Agenda
2. [6]Action Items
3. [7]Info Share
4. [8]Review Radar
5. [9]Project Radar
6. [10]Indic Layout Requirements Comments
7. [11]CSS Inline comments
8. [12]UTR51 Comments
9. [13]tombstone of authoring techniques
10. [14]chinese layout progress
11. [15]AOB?
* [16]Summary of Action Items
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<scribe> ACTION: addison: check Mati's presence on the
distribution list, etc. [recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2015/01/22-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-391 - Check mati's presence on the
distribution list, etc. [on Addison Phillips - due 2015-01-29].
Agenda
Action Items
<r12a>
[18]http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/WD-i18n-html-tech-char-20150127/O
verview.html
[18]
http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/WD-i18n-html-tech-char-20150127/Overview.html
<fsasaki> [nothing new on my action items and still in a
different call]
action-365?
<trackbot> action-365 -- Richard Ishida to Create tombstone
version of "authoring techniques for xhtml & html
internationalizatoin: characters and encodings 1.0" as the
end-of-life of this document -- due 2014-11-07 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[19]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/365
[19] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/365
richard: serious change, but not much of it :-)
action-366?
<trackbot> action-366 -- Richard Ishida to Identify categories
non-controversial for line-breaking to support i18n-issue-316
in css3-text -- due 2014-11-07 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[20]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/366
[20] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/366
close action-389
<trackbot> Closed action-389.
action-390?
<trackbot> action-390 -- Richard Ishida to Forward issue-401 to
indic list and shepherd response with appropriate elaboration
as needed -- due 2015-01-22 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[21]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/390
[21] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/390
issue-401?
<trackbot> issue-401 -- Clarify initial letter requirements and
alignment points -- open
<trackbot> [22]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/401
[22] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/401
close action-390
<trackbot> Closed action-390.
Info Share
<fsasaki> action-361?
<trackbot> action-361 -- Felix Sasaki to Check status of idns
in ml data best practices -- due 2014-11-06 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[23]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/361
[23] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/361
close action-361
<trackbot> Closed action-361.
DennisTan: raised an issue
issue-402?
<trackbot> issue-402 -- Broken copy/paste behavior with IRIs --
open
<trackbot> [24]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/402
[24] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/402
<r12a>
[25]http://www.w3.org/International/reviews/review-instructions
[25] http://www.w3.org/International/reviews/review-instructions
richard: program cmte for MLWeb workshop is actively seeking
speakers
... we highly recommend this conference :-)
... please review call for participation
<r12a>
[26]http://www.multilingualweb.eu/documents/2015-riga-workshop/
2015-riga-cfp
[26]
http://www.multilingualweb.eu/documents/2015-riga-workshop/2015-riga-cfp
felix: workshop is only one day this time
... please submit as soon as possible
... there are other events besides the workshop
... other events are related to language technology
... e.g. MT, search, etc.
... submit as soon as possible for MLWeb, tho
Review Radar
[27]https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar
[27] https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar
steve: will review LDPF this coming week
Project Radar
[28]https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Project_radar
[28] https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Project_radar
<scribe> ACTION: richard: follow up on lock-step publishing
counter styles WG document to match CSS by checking on their
status [recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2015/01/22-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-392 - Follow up on lock-step
publishing counter styles wg document to match css by checking
on their status [on Richard Ishida - due 2015-01-29].
koji: we discuss form localization
<r12a> [30]https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Project_radar
[30] https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Project_radar
<r12a>
[31]https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Project_radar#Local_F
ormats_and_Locales
[31]
https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Project_radar#Local_Formats_and_Locales
<fsasaki> action-252?
<trackbot> action-252 -- Felix Sasaki to Ping dita folks about
contacting html5 about ruby progress -- due 2013-09-05 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[32]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/252
[32] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/252
<fsasaki>
[33]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014O
ct/0002.html
[33]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Oct/0002.html
felix: pinged dita folks
... above link is the email with their response
close action-252
<trackbot> Closed action-252.
Indic Layout Requirements Comments
[34]http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/67
[34] http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/67
richard: somnath has put in some edits suggested in tracker
... and added additional examples of non-Hindi/non-Devanagari
initial letters
... want to discuss how best to make some changes
... perhaps I could edit and send to you?
<scribe> ACTION: richard: send somnath proposed updates to the
indic layout requirements document [recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2015/01/22-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-393 - Send somnath proposed updates
to the indic layout requirements document [on Richard Ishida -
due 2015-01-29].
richard: dave cramer needs technical information about how
layout are handled
somnath: have gathered information and need a little time to
collate
... will send detailed requirements document
<scribe> ACTION: somnath: send richard detailed requirements
for initial letters in various Indic scripts [recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2015/01/22-i18n-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-394 - Send richard detailed
requirements for initial letters in various indic scripts [on
Somnath Chandra - due 2015-01-29].
issue-407?
<trackbot> issue-407 -- Clarification of initial letter example
ⓟ -- open
<trackbot> [37]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/407
[37] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/407
richard: this issue is interesting because fixed already
addison: schedule item for review by wg and include note that
not reviewed by WG yet
richard: somnath, working on two issues?
somnath: give me 4-5 days time
CSS Inline comments
issue-408?
<trackbot> issue-408 -- Centred value for intial-letter-align ⓟ
-- open
<trackbot> [38]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/408
[38] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/408
richard: went through a lot of newspapers in many scripts
... got examples
... many examples use an approach where they make a (colored)
box
... with the drop cap or initial "letter" in that box
... alignment from edges of box
... not a scenario addressed by CSS
... way spec is currently written
... defines size of letter
... and the alignment with surrounding script
addison: any objection to removing the ⓟ for provisional
koji: different from ideograph?
richard: yes, because additional space around character
<r12a>
[39]https://www.flickr.com/photos/ishida/15650930393/in/set-721
57650248400402
[39]
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ishida/15650930393/in/set-72157650248400402
<r12a>
[40]https://www.flickr.com/photos/ishida/16246010056/in/set-721
57650248400402
[40]
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ishida/16246010056/in/set-72157650248400402
addison: illuminated cap
<r12a>
[41]https://www.flickr.com/photos/ishida/15652027313/in/set-721
57650248400402
[41]
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ishida/15652027313/in/set-72157650248400402
<r12a>
[42]https://www.flickr.com/photos/ishida/16084392688/in/set-721
57650248400402/
[42]
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ishida/16084392688/in/set-72157650248400402/
JcK: looks like medieval illumination style in latin script
addison: maybe forward to css?
<scribe> ACTION: richard: forward issue-408 to CSS as
non-provisional comment [recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2015/01/22-i18n-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-395 - Forward issue-408 to css as
non-provisional comment [on Richard Ishida - due 2015-01-29].
UTR51 Comments
[44]http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/66
[44] http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/66
issue-397?
<trackbot> issue-397 -- Interaction of variation selectors and
proposed emoji modifiers ⓟ -- open
<trackbot> [45]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/397
[45] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/397
issue-405?
<trackbot> issue-405 -- clarify embedded image vs. character
(editorial) ⓟ -- open
<trackbot> [46]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/405
[46] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/405
richard: no objections to these
addison: any other comments, please expedite
tombstone of authoring techniques
<r12a>
[47]http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/WD-i18n-html-tech-char-20150127/O
verview.html
[47]
http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/WD-i18n-html-tech-char-20150127/Overview.html
<JcK> Re the CSS issue, and at the risk of channeling Muriel
Cooper (or maybe Norbert Weiner) it seems to me that there is a
meta-issue here as to when style-based page formatting ends and
graphical pay layout art begins, i.e., where does one stop?
Again, the medieval Latin manuscript example may be helpful as
a way to think about this -- there were some very specific
conventions there, but...
<JcK> ...they differ by scribal school and over time and still
allowed for illustrator discretion. The mind boggles about what
would happen if we tried to devise an formalized typology and
encoding for them. Perhaps Korean pages are is a lot more
standardized in that regard, but the examples and discussion
are not persuasive about that.
<DennisTan> I have to drop off. Thank you. Bye
<r12a> t is important to consider character encoding when
producing documents, and to understand how to choose and
declare encodings, how and when to use character escapes, etc.
richard: have blessing to continue and publish next tuesday
David: yes
addison: yes
<matial> yes
<r12a> yes
<David> +1
<JcK> +1
<koji> +1
<Steve_Atkin> Steve +1
<scribe> chair: resolved to publish this as a tombstone
chinese layout progress
<r12a>
[48]https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Chinese_layout_prep
[48] https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Chinese_layout_prep
richard: put together above after long call with beihang today
... main action will start in March
... tomorrow will talk with them about Han document
... getting FPWD ASAP
... charter is done
... mailing lists are done
... remainder in progress
... home pages soon
addison: that's awesome
AOB?
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: addison: check Mati's presence on the
distribution list, etc. [recorded in
[49]http://www.w3.org/2015/01/22-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: richard: follow up on lock-step publishing
counter styles WG document to match CSS by checking on their
status [recorded in
[50]http://www.w3.org/2015/01/22-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: richard: forward issue-408 to CSS as
non-provisional comment [recorded in
[51]http://www.w3.org/2015/01/22-i18n-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: richard: send somnath proposed updates to the
indic layout requirements document [recorded in
[52]http://www.w3.org/2015/01/22-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: somnath: send richard detailed requirements for
initial letters in various Indic scripts [recorded in
[53]http://www.w3.org/2015/01/22-i18n-minutes.html#action04]
[End of minutes]
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