- From: Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 17:41:02 +0100
- To: www International <www-international@w3.org>
http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-i18n-minutes.html
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Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
29 May 2014
[2]Agenda
[2]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014May/0009.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-i18n-irc
Attendees
Present
Addison, Richard, Mati, Koji
Regrets
JcK, David, Felix
Chair
Addison Phillips
Scribe
Addison Phillips
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Agenda
2. [6]Action Items
3. [7]Info Share
4. [8]RADAR
5. [9]Resolution to Publish Encoding as Last Call
6. [10]Establish Encoding Last Call Period
7. [11]CSS3 Text Comments
8. [12]AOB?
* [13]Summary of Action Items
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Agenda
Action Items
[14]http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
[14] http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
action-113: richard spoke to aharon, won't probably work on it
until html5 is stable
<trackbot> Notes added to action-113 Work on tidying up
Additional Requirements for Bidi in HTML & CSS over coming
couple of months.
close action-299
<trackbot> Closed action-299.
<scribe> ACTION: addison: forward tpac attendance survey thing
to richard [recorded in
[15]http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-307 - Forward tpac attendance survey
thing to richard [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-06-05].
close action-303
<trackbot> Closed action-303.
close action-304
<trackbot> Closed action-304.
<r12a> [16]http://rishida.net/blog/?p=1083
[16] http://rishida.net/blog/?p=1083
close action-305
<trackbot> Closed action-305.
close action-306
<trackbot> Closed action-306.
Info Share
<r12a> [17]http://rishida.net/blog/?p=1037
[17] http://rishida.net/blog/?p=1037
<r12a> Typography questions for HTML & CSS:
<r12a> Effect of markup and styling on cursive script (eg.
Arabic)
richard: people seeing my tweets
... so raising awareness via blog posts etc
<r12a> Typography questions for HTML & CSS:
<r12a> Korean line breaking rules
<r12a> [18]http://rishida.net/blog/?p=1048
[18] http://rishida.net/blog/?p=1048
<r12a> Typography questions for HTML & CSS:
<r12a> Arabic justification
<r12a> [19]http://rishida.net/blog/?p=1059
[19] http://rishida.net/blog/?p=1059
richard: taken from a talk I gave at MLWeb conf
... sums up some questions we have
... has links to other's articles
... in addition to the IDN universal access thing
RADAR
[20]https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar#Schedule
d_Last_Call_reviews
[20]
https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar#Scheduled_Last_Call_reviews
Tracking DNT [21]http://www.w3.org/TR/tracking-dnt/
[21] http://www.w3.org/TR/tracking-dnt/
CSS Variables [22]http://www.w3.org/TR/css-variables-1/
[22] http://www.w3.org/TR/css-variables-1/
<scribe> ACTION: addison: ping new members if interested in
reviewing [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-308 - Ping new members if interested
in reviewing [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-06-05].
Resolution to Publish Encoding as Last Call
[24]http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/WD-encoding-20140603/
[24] http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/WD-encoding-20140603/
<scribe> chair: do we support publication of Encoding as a Last
Call WD?
<r12a> +1
addison: yes
<koji> +1
<matial> +1, no pb
<scribe> chair: resolved to publish
Establish Encoding Last Call Period
richard: 1 July would be about a month
... need 3 weeks minimum
... and we need to get to CR by September
... have to deal with comment
<scribe> chair: proposal is to end LC on 1 July 2014. All in
favor?
addison: +1
<r12a> +1
<matial> +1
<koji> +1
<scribe> chair: resolved to end LC on 1 July
richard: will send pubreq tonight
... plh wanted status of testing
addison: talked to anne about that, kind of a weak area
<scribe> ACTION: addison: ping anne in writing about encoding
tests seeking location(s) [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-309 - Ping anne in writing about
encoding tests seeking location(s) [on Addison Phillips - due
2014-06-05].
CSS3 Text Comments
[26]http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/2
[26] http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/2
richard: koji asked me to mention that they will produce a new
versoin in the summer
... could we plan to review it over the summer?
addison: absolutely
richard: went through a lot of them
... think we can close many of them
<r12a> [27]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/145
[27] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/145
close issue-145
<trackbot> Closed issue-145.
[28]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/308
[28] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/308
issue-309?
<trackbot> issue-309 -- Haphazard use of term 'character' --
open
<trackbot> [29]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/309
[29] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/309
issue-310?
<trackbot> issue-310 -- (editorial) consistency in refering to
Unicode web site -- open
<trackbot> [30]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/310
[30] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/310
close issue-310
<trackbot> Closed issue-310.
issue-311?
<trackbot> issue-311 -- Clarity of Arabic hyphenation example
-- open
<trackbot> [31]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/311
[31] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/311
addison: uighur example?
richard: john hudson sent you an example
... but on thread for issue-345
close issue-311
<trackbot> Closed issue-311.
issue-312?
<trackbot> issue-312 -- (editorial) distribute keyword
description -- open
<trackbot> [32]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/312
[32] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/312
close issue-312
<trackbot> Closed issue-312.
issue: 313?
issue-313?
<trackbot> issue-313 -- Definition of grapheme clusters -- open
<trackbot> [33]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/313
[33] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/313
issue-314?
<trackbot> issue-314 -- Line breaking and ruby -- open
<trackbot> [34]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/314
[34] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/314
close issue-314
<trackbot> Closed issue-314.
issue-315?
<trackbot> issue-315 -- Reference to line breaking in KLREQ --
open
<trackbot> [35]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/315
[35] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/315
close issue-315
<trackbot> Closed issue-315.
issue-316?
<trackbot> issue-316 -- Line breaking defaults -- open
<trackbot> [36]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/316
[36] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/316
koji: edits and feedback from wg
... david barron wants section to be testable
... suggestion we specify what ua has to do
... and make testable
richard: think I got your email
koji: oh, wait, different issue
<r12a>
[37]http://www.w3.org/International/tests/#css3-text-transform2
[37] http://www.w3.org/International/tests/#css3-text-transform2
richard: need to review
... need to determine situation regarding uax14 support
issue-317?
<trackbot> issue-317 -- Line breaking property and value names
-- open
<trackbot> [38]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/317
[38] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/317
richard: reordering done
... would have liked to have had an alias
... the current names have historical usage, per elika and koji
close issue-317
<trackbot> Closed issue-317.
issue-318?
<trackbot> issue-318 -- Tibetan line breaking & justification
background info -- open
<trackbot> [39]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/318
[39] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/318
close issue-318
<trackbot> Closed issue-318.
issue-319?
<trackbot> issue-319 -- word-break 'according to usual rules'
-- open
<trackbot> [40]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/319
[40] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/319
close issue-319
<trackbot> Closed issue-319.
issue-320?
<trackbot> issue-320 -- Example 6 -- open
<trackbot> [41]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/320
[41] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/320
close issue-320
<trackbot> Closed issue-320.
issue-321?
<trackbot> issue-321 -- Naming of "start end" -- open
<trackbot> [42]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/321
[42] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/321
issue-322?
<trackbot> issue-322 -- text-justify: auto should recommend
international typographic accuracy -- open
<trackbot> [43]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/322
[43] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/322
koji: this is the one I meant before (dbarron wants testable)
... should define best backward compatible algorithm or
criteria
richard: encouraging people to do right thing because hard to
specify
issue-323?
<trackbot> issue-323 -- Figures 3 to 5 -- open
<trackbot> [44]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/323
[44] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/323
issue-324?
<trackbot> issue-324 -- distribute -> inter-character -- open
<trackbot> [45]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/324
[45] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/324
[46]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2014A
prJun/0146.html
[46]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2014AprJun/0146.html
<r12a> [47]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/323
[47] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/323
issue-324?
<trackbot> issue-324 -- distribute -> inter-character -- open
<trackbot> [48]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/324
[48] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/324
close issue-324
<trackbot> Closed issue-324.
issue-325?
<trackbot> issue-325 -- expansion opportunity -> justification
opportunity -- open
<trackbot> [49]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/325
[49] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/325
close issue-325?
<trackbot> Closed issue-325.
issue-330?
<trackbot> issue-330 -- Tasmeem example not clear -- open
<trackbot> [50]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/330
[50] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/330
<koji>
[51]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2014May/0075.
html
[51] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2014May/0075.html
[52]http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-text/#text-justify-property
[52] http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-text/#text-justify-property
richard: forward fantasai's email and then addison reply?
addison: okay
issue-331?
<trackbot> issue-331 -- No kashida style or relationship to
styles 'distribute' and 'inter-word' -- open
<trackbot> [53]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/331
[53] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/331
issue-332?
<trackbot> issue-332 -- Lack of complete kashida description --
open
<trackbot> [54]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/332
[54] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/332
issue-333?
<trackbot> issue-333 -- 'letter-spacing' and Arabic -- open
<trackbot> [55]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/333
[55] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/333
richard: example of indesign or similar
... there might be adjustments of the spaces inside words where
the arabic letters don't actually physically join
... don't break letters apart
"fi s h"
issue-334?
<trackbot> issue-334 -- 'letter-spacing' and Indic -- open
<trackbot> [56]http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/334
[56] http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/334
richard: for justification, sometimes the font makes a
difference
[57]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2014A
prJun/0089.html
[57]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2014AprJun/0089.html
koji: wg acks that not everything can be done correctly
... maybe do something like counter style
... where we externalize the different cases
richard: maybe, for some things like kashida
... there are certain user preferences
... and CSS probably should provide the controls for user
preferences
addison: maybe be explicit about what is not currently
supported?
koji: maybe need something like ruby use cases: keep a list
that is growing
... keep track of these items
richard: koji, do you want us to reply to all closed comments
saying we're satisfied?
<scribe> ACTION: richard: send note to CSS about satisfaction
on closed css3 text issues [recorded in
[58]http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-i18n-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-310 - Send note to css about
satisfaction on closed css3 text issues [on Richard Ishida -
due 2014-06-05].
AOB?
<matial> Bye
<scribe> Scribe: Addison Phillips
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: addison: forward tpac attendance survey thing to
richard [recorded in
[59]http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: addison: ping anne in writing about encoding
tests seeking location(s) [recorded in
[60]http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: addison: ping new members if interested in
reviewing [recorded in
[61]http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: richard: send note to CSS about satisfaction on
closed css3 text issues [recorded in
[62]http://www.w3.org/2014/05/29-i18n-minutes.html#action04]
[End of minutes]
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