- From: 3x <3x@planet.nl>
- Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 00:17:30 +0200
- To: "Dave J Woolley" <DJW@bts.co.uk>
- Cc: "HTML-list" <www-html@w3.org>
Thanks for your detailed summary. As far as I know frames are not deprecated in the HTML 4.0 specification. Second: my question was not if frames have gone or not in the XHTML version 2 specification, but if there are browsers left that do not support them. What I do understand from your criticism is that you don't like frames, in wich you may be right. But they certainly come in handy in some cases. And regarding #-----Original Message----- #From: Dave J Woolley [mailto:DJW@bts.co.uk] #Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 9:49 PM #To: '3x' #Subject: RE: NOFRAMES # # # # [DJW:] This was off topic. #> Does anyone know... #> #> Are their still browsers of any signifigance wich don't support frames? # [DJW:] # W3C's own browser, Amaya, Lynx. Web TV only supports # them by converting to tables. # #> And browsers that don't support JavaScript? (apart from the # [DJW:] W3C's Amaya, etc. # #> browser-confuration of course) #> # [DJW:] Mandatory reading is the XHTML version 2 specification; # frames have finally completely gone, although they have been # deprecated since HTML 4.0. # # Also, http://www.w3.org/WAI/ which points out that good HTML needs # to work on all media. # # Also, Jakob Nielsen's best selling book, Web Usability - The #Practice # of Simplicity. # # Frames cause compatibility problems. # # Frames don't book mark properly. # # Frames encourage tactics that break tbe back button. # # Frames encourage "we don't want to talk to you unless you upgrade" # messages. # # Frames often lead nested frames, and work arounds to nested frames # (which are some of the causes of broken back buttons. # # Javascript keeps going on and off Microsoft's list of web technology #that # security conscious system administrators should disable. #
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