- From: MegaZone <megazone@livingston.com>
- Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 20:10:52 -0700 (PDT)
- To: www-html@w3.org
I forgot to comment: 1.A single META tag can only describe one attribute-value pair. To describe a product or page in as much detail as IDML requires many META tags. BFD. So what, it doesn't matter, it is just a few more characters, and then everyone else can parse it fine. But *no* they had to be different. 2.All META tags must appear in the HEAD section of the document. The fact is only 4% of documents on the web use HEAD tags and a mere 0.5% use META tags What kind of snake oil salesman logic is this??? If only .5% use meta tags, how many people are going to use their proprietary, lesser known tags! On top of that - "People don't use HEAD, therefore any tag that needs to go into HEAD is bad." WHAT? The <HEAD> tags are not required. <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <html> <title>spew</title> <LINK REV=MADE HREF="mailto:spider@livingston.com"> <META NAME="fu" CONTENT="bar"> <BODY> etc deleted That is perfectly valid! Because you need several META tags to specifiy a product or page, it can be hard to discern where one group ends and the other begins. This also introduces maintenance problems: META tags that belong together could easily be broken apart. First - the deliberately formated the page to make it look worse. Second - is using comments to mark off blocks beyond them? 2.META tags are poorly suited to specifying products. Some Identify merchants have over 600,000 products; to catalog their products using only META is ugly and impractical. We found that a separate, dedicated tag just for product-tagging and content-tagging provided greater flexibility and clarity. I don't get this, I really don't. I've looked at their tags and I don't see anything I can't do with META. 3.The web is a big place. It's getting bigger all the time, doubling in size every 2-3 months. In order to keep up-to-date with the effort of cataloging content and products, the process of gathering this information has to be automated. It is simply easier to teach a robot to understand IDML tags than a group of META tags. BULLSHIT!!! Anyone who has coded any kind of text parser knows that once you can parse one META tage you can pretty much parse them all and generate the name-value pairs. This is near to an outright lie. 4.The big reason: To succeed, IDML had to be simple and quickly adopted -- just like HTML. We found that few publishers today use HEAD properly, and hardly any use META. See my points above: 1. HEAD is ***NOT*** required. 2. If they aren't using META it doesn't mean they *CAN'T*. *I* don't use meta - but I don't WANT TO! I don't want to use IDML either. And if I pick one it is going to be META because it is universal. We're not the first people to propose a content-tagging system. We believe that the others never caught on because they were too complex for non-computer scientists to implement. META is a technical language; IDML is a business language. bullshit bullshit bullshit -MZ -- Livingston Enterprises - Chair, Department of Interstitial Affairs Phone: 800-458-9966 510-426-0770 FAX: 510-426-8951 megazone@livingston.com For support requests: support@livingston.com <http://www.livingston.com/> Snail mail: 6920 Koll Center Parkway #220, Pleasanton, CA 94566
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