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Re: checkbox labels

From: Erik Bruchez <ebruchez@orbeon.com>
Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 23:15:43 +0100
Message-ID: <45C7AC8F.108@orbeon.com>
To: www-forms@w3.org


My bad, I read in your message what I wanted to read, I guess. I think 
you just hit a missing feature in Orbeon Forms ;-) Damn.


Aaron Reed wrote:
> Hi Erik,
> My original note was about boolean inputs as checkboxes, not just 
> checkboxes in general.  So using my testcase in Orbeon's processor, I 
> saw a regular textfield that contained the value "0".  Most of the 
> browser-based XForms processors handle xf:select's with 
> @appearance="full" the same way (with label's on the right of the 
> checkboxes), so I didn't bother to mention that control.
> I agree with the posts here that point out that XForms isn't about 
> presentation, but rather abstract UI.  I personally think that the 
> overall ability of the form author to determine label layout is probably 
> best addressed by the XHTML group and of course if they go with a CSS 
> style or attribute to solve this problem, then XForms processors should 
> honor it if possible.  But since the forms part of XHTML2 is driven by 
> XForms, then a recommendation by this WG would surely carry a lot of 
> weight.  I was hoping that one of us had already solved this problem for 
> our users so that we all had something to build on, but looking at the 
> posts, I guess not :)
> --Aaron
> Erik Bruchez wrote:
>> Aaron,
>> It looks like you did not try Orbeon Forms: by default we put labels 
>> for select/@appearance="full" and select1/@appearance="full" to the 
>> right of the checkbox or radio button. Because, as has been pointed 
>> out in this thread, this is what you want most of the time. Check the 
>> second tab here:
>>   http://www.orbeon.com/ops/xforms-controls/
>> Of course this is automatically reversed if you decide to use a 
>> right-to-left language, but that change is then done automatically by 
>> the HTML renderer.
>> Now to answer your question, at this point we don't allow user control 
>> over positioning of the item labels, except using XSLT post-processing.
>> Using CSS, by the way, would be the ideal way, but in Orbeon Forms CSS 
>> is interpreted by the browser, which means that if a CSS property is 
>> not supported by the browser then we can't use it, obviously. So our 
>> solution will probably be to add an extension attribute on XForms 
>> controls for that purpose.
>> Note that for select/@appearance="full" and 
>> select1/@appearance="full", you have two types of labels:
>> o one label for each item
>> o a global label for the whole control
>> Here, like for other controls, we display the label for the whole 
>> control on the left by default.
>> -Erik
>>> Hi,
>>> I noticed that every xforms processor that I tried put the labels for 
>>> boolean inputs (usually rendered as checkboxes) to the left of the 
>>> checkbox even though the overwhelming preference for html forms is to 
>>> have the label on the right of a checkbox.  Do any xforms processors 
>>> allow their authors to position a boolean input's label to the right 
>>> of the control?  Perhaps using a CSS style?
>>> I guess the better question might be, does any processor allow the 
>>> form author to determine the label position (either left or right of 
>>> the underlying control) of any xforms control?  And if so, how?
>>> Thanks,
>>> --Aaron

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