- From: Chris Lilley <chris@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 23:03:07 +0200
- To: www-font@w3.org
Hello www-font, http://www.w3.org/2010/08/04-webfonts-minutes.html or below as text WebFonts Working Group Teleconference 04 Aug 2010 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webfonts-wg/2010Aug/0010.html See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2010/08/04-webfonts-irc Attendees Present Vlad, sylvaing, ChrisL, +31.18.768.aaaa, Erik, tal, John, Sergei, jdaggett, +1.416.589.aabb, Dave, cslye Regrets Christopher Chair Vlad Scribe ChrisL Contents * [4]Topics 1. [5]Review the first public working draft 2. [6]Typecon 2010: 3. [7]Planning of the F2F meeting. 4. [8]WOFF publicity/promotion at Typecon 5. [9]review spec for conformance and testable assertions 6. [10]aob * [11]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ <trackbot> Date: 04 August 2010 <scribe> Scribe: ChrisL Review the first public working draft Vlad: Thanks jdaggett for reviewing the spec [12]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2010JulSep/0027.htm l [12] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2010JulSep/0027.html jdaggett: most of these are editorial ... two major things ... section 8 conformance, checksum must be correct, implication is that checksum is computed and checked, ... must either correct the values or issue a warning ... need to be consistent, reject or warn? ... many checks need to happen but that is not part of woff, hapens once a font is converted sergeym: validating a checksum is an additional step jdaggett: not clear if we can reuse the header checksum or required to recompute it sergeym: UA does not change table structure ... so the checksum is still valid jdaggett: wording says the tool should validate it Vlad: sergeym seems to be agreeing that checksum validation should not be required of UA resolved: UAS need not validate checksums <scribe> ACTION: jjonathan to clarify that checksums are not checked by a user agent [recorded in [13]http://www.w3.org/2010/08/04-webfonts-minutes.html#action01] <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - jjonathan <scribe> ACTION: jjonothan to clarify that checksums are not checked by a user agent [recorded in [14]http://www.w3.org/2010/08/04-webfonts-minutes.html#action02] <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - jjonothan <scribe> ACTION: jonothan to clarify that checksums are not checked by a user agent [recorded in [15]http://www.w3.org/2010/08/04-webfonts-minutes.html#action03] <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - jonothan <scribe> ACTION: jonathan to clarify that checksums are not checked by a user agent [recorded in [16]http://www.w3.org/2010/08/04-webfonts-minutes.html#action04] <trackbot> Created ACTION-12 - Clarify that checksums are not checked by a user agent [on Jonathan Kew - due 2010-08-11]. jdaggett: better to move the conformance requirenents into section 8, list for tools and user agents Vlad: yes appendices should be informative so notrmative text should be moved out of there ... of if it looks normative bit isnt it should be reworded jdaggett: structural issue, repeating similar ideas in 2 parts of a document they get out of sync over time ... woff processor, not defined ChrisL: agree, if it means UA jdaggett: no need to define for other than a user agent? ChrisL: not authoring tools? Vlad: encoder and decoder need to understad the same format jdaggett: should not say UA one place and woff processor other places Vlad: in general agree, but slightly broader scope. Used by tool creators for creation and consumption <John> Could we have a general term such as 'WOFF client' ChrisL: as an example a woff validator could say if the checksums are wrong, even though a ua is not required to check them sylvaing: need to clearly distinguish encoders and decoders. processor could apply to both jdaggett: agree that sizes should be specified in bytes for example. trivial to add ChrisL: should say that WOFF stands for web open fornt format Vlad: another comment from Eric Muller partly addressed by jdaggett's edits ChrisL: all of Bobs concerns seemed to be addressed by John Vlad: there was a concern about padding that follows the last table so is not between tables <Vlad> [17]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2010JulSep/0030.htm l [17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2010JulSep/0030.html jdaggett: current spec does not completely address it ... under overal lfile structure in section 2, (quotes) no extraneous data outside tha table. its too vague. ... proposed wording, bob replied it would allow data after the last table ... make change to disallow extraneous data outside the font ... should UAs load a font that has gaps that are more than padding Vlad: think the spec already says this jdaggett: should be in conformance requirements ... change 'between font tables' to include before and after tables too <scribe> ACTION: jonothan t change conformance rwquirements to disallow extraneous data anywhere and require ua to reject a font contasining it [recorded in [18]http://www.w3.org/2010/08/04-webfonts-minutes.html#action05] <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - jonothan <scribe> ACTION: jonathan t change conformance rwquirements to disallow extraneous data anywhere and require ua to reject a font contasining it [recorded in [19]http://www.w3.org/2010/08/04-webfonts-minutes.html#action06] <trackbot> Created ACTION-13 - T change conformance rwquirements to disallow extraneous data anywhere and require ua to reject a font contasining it [on Jonathan Kew - due 2010-08-11]. Vlad: Eric Muller comments I responded to ChrisL: surprised by Eric's comments jdaggett: he seemed to say that everything should be in OT tables (or an extension) cslye: he said that metadata that is not woff specific should be inside the fotnt; talked with him about that ... in private discussion Vlad: wanted to respond to his comments right away Typecon 2010: Vlad: its in 2 weeks ... john suggested woff presentations better done by tal and erik ... program lists john as the speaker there erik: agreed Vlad: please draft something for the group to discuss erik: will post over the next week Vlad: important to get the message across, what woff does and what it is for ... also ChrisL can you do the wg part? ChrisL: yes sure ... need to tell Tamye about that and check its ok? cslye: no its ok, the panel discussion is more tightly managed. wg slot is fairly open ChrisL: so who is on the panel? cslye: panel is brian mason, cslyye (reads from program) <cslye> TypeCon webfonts panel discussion: Participants include Bryan Mason, moderator (Typekit), Christopher Slye (Adobe), Bill Davis (Ascender), Tom Phinney (Extensis), Adam Twardoch (FontLab), Raph Levien (Google), Erik van Blokland (LettError), Simon Daniels (Microsoft), Vladimir Levantovsky (Monotype Imaging), John Hudson (Tiro Typeworks), Tal Leming (Type Supply), and more. John: make sense for ChrisL to be on panel for w3c questions [20]http://www.typecon.com/program.php [20] http://www.typecon.com/program.php sylvaing: session is on friday? and wg meeting tues? John: yes and css3 on weds .woff party friday night Planning of the F2F meeting. Vlad: be ready to discuss conformance requirements and testable assertions ... will get more details on location. 10-6pm is the time. will get room details WOFF publicity/promotion at Typecon (discussion about publicity) review spec for conformance and testable assertions ChrisL: related my experience on defining 'lossless; wrt PNG spec, might apply to WOFF too Vlad: fringe cases may need some adjustments aob erik: doing experiments with xslt to render the metadata Vlad: may be useful as informative appendix. jkew said not in spec but can be handy to make available ChrisL: its more illustrative ... erik please post a link erik: sure vlad: anything else? adjourned Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: jonathan t change conformance rwquirements to disallow extraneous data anywhere and require ua to reject a font contasining it [recorded in [23]http://www.w3.org/2010/08/04-webfonts-minutes.html#action06] [NEW] ACTION: jonathan to clarify that checksums are not checked by a user agent [recorded in [24]http://www.w3.org/2010/08/04-webfonts-minutes.html#action04] [NEW] ACTION: jonothan t change conformance rwquirements to disallow extraneous data anywhere and require ua to reject a font contasining it [recorded in [25]http://www.w3.org/2010/08/04-webfonts-minutes.html#action05] [NEW] ACTION: jonothan to clarify that checksums are not checked by a user agent [recorded in [26]http://www.w3.org/2010/08/04-webfonts-minutes.html#action03] [End of minutes] -- Chris Lilley mailto:chris@w3.org Technical Director, Interaction Domain W3C Graphics Activity Lead Co-Chair, W3C Hypertext CG
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