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Re: Adding an interface to provide a list of listeners

From: Shane McCarron <shane@aptest.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 10:19:35 -0500
Message-ID: <CAOk_reGAAcm=S6O1=_fO=YcM1Nje5a_LwZJzWE_ngky2B2kBuQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: "Gunderson, Jon R" <jongund@illinois.edu>
Cc: Karl Groves <kgroves@paciellogroup.com>, Ms2ger <ms2ger@gmail.com>, "www-dom@w3.org" <www-dom@w3.org>, "W3C WAI Protocols & Formats" <public-pfwg@w3.org>
Thanks for that input Jon.  We will add it to our use cases as we develop
them.


On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 8:51 AM, Gunderson, Jon R <jongund@illinois.edu>
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>  The enumerating event handler issues are a huge problem for web
> accessibility evaluation checking tools.
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> We have to use proprietary APIs to get event handler information for the
> rules in the OpenAjax Accessibility Evaluation library.
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> Tools we are developing using proprietary APIs to get event information:
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> AInspector Sidebar for Firefox:
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> FAE 2.0
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> http://fae20.cita.illinois.edu/
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> Jon
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> *From:* Karl Groves [mailto:kgroves@paciellogroup.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 17, 2014 5:51 PM
> *To:* Shane McCarron
> *Cc:* Ms2ger; www-dom@w3.org; W3C WAI Protocols & Formats
> *Subject:* Re: Adding an interface to provide a list of listeners
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> I'm not sure the reply "this been discussed and rejected several times
> before ... I would advise against reopening the discussion."  is terribly
> helpful. To Shane's original question: which WG would be best to address
> this with or to search down the history of the relevant discussions? Is
> there a way to get access to those previous discussions or at least a
> summary as to why?
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> Frankly, it does indeed seem like a worthwhile feature request. A google
> search for "Get event listener" retrieves over a million results
> https://www.google.com/search?q="get+event+listener"
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> I'm also personally aware of others' desire for something like
> "getEventListener"
> https://www.google.com/search?q=getEventListener
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> And that search turns up almost a quarter-of-a-million results. The top
> results are quite relevant to this discussion and also demonstrate that
> many people are looking for such a thing.  The fact is, the browsers
> themselves already have this, but it isn't exposed in a way that devs can
> get to.
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> On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Shane McCarron <shane@aptest.com> wrote:
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> Oooh!  I was unaware that it had been discussed previously.  I will do a
> mailing list search.  If you have any pointers, I would love to see them.
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> On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Ms2ger <ms2ger@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Hi Shane,
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> On 07/17/2014 06:44 PM, Shane McCarron wrote:
> > Hi!
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> > At a recent W3C PFWG meeting, the group (again) lamented the lack
> > of a standard way to get a list of all the Event listeners (of a
> > specific type, at a specific element, etc) in the DOM.
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> > We are happy to put together a proposal about this, with use cases,
> > but we are not sure if we should target this at the DOM itself or
> > at the DOM Events specification.
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> > Obviously we are not looking to rock the boat here w.r.t DOM4 or
> > anything. We are just trying to figure out who we should be talking
> > to about getting this included in some future specification.
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> The DOM specification is a living standard, so don't worry about
> rocking boats.
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> However, this has been discussed and rejected several times before; is
> there any new information that suggests a reasonable chance to
> overturn those decisions? If not, I would advise against reopening the
> discussion.
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> HTH
> Ms2ger
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> Karl Groves
> Senior Technical Lead Accessibility Software Consultant & Director of
> Training
> The Paciello Group
> @karlgroves
> Phone: +1 443-875-7343
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