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Re: minutes -> wiki magic?

From: Lee Feigenbaum <lee@thefigtrees.net>
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 16:48:17 -0500
Message-ID: <49A70E21.3040504@thefigtrees.net>
To: Sandro Hawke <sandro@w3.org>
CC: eric@w3.org, www-archive@w3.org
Sandro Hawke wrote:
> [cc'd www-archive, in case others get interested]

Great.

> [You write about perhaps using the scribe tools OWL-WG is using]
> 
> Sure, I'd be happy to have you guys as the second users.  (Eric just
> grabbed me in the hall to talk about it.)
> 
> Is your wiki up and running?   

Yes, it's at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/ though it's still sparse.

> Where in web space do you want minutes to appear?
 >
 > For OWL, the chatlogs, which start as IRC logs and are then cleaned up
 > are named like:
 >
 >     http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Chatlog_2009-02-23
 >
 > and the formatted minutes are named like this:
 >
 >     http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/meeting/2009-02-23

We're pretty much duplicating the Web-space structure that OWL WG is 
using, so I'd imagine chat logs at:

http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Chatlog_%yyyy-%mm-%dd

with formatted minutes at:

http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/%yyyy-%mm-%dd

I was a bit confused by 
http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Minutes_Review_Conventions which 
suggests that the minutes are on the wiki and editable by any WG member 
when, in fact, that's not the case?

> You'll also need a wiki page like:
> 
>     http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Participants2
> 
> which doesn't exactly match the other databases of participants because:
>       - it needs to list all the irc names used for people which
>         can not be derived by the algorithm
>       - it needs to list everyone who has attended any meeting,
>         including guests and part-participants

OK, I have an initial stab at this at:

http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Participants2

> (One of the current bugs in the system is around the handling of the
> participant list.  The list really needs to have a transaction-log
> style, so that we can tell who the participants (really "attendees")
> were at any given point in time.  If that list changes later, then a
> name might BECOME ambiguous after-the-fact, which would make old minutes
> harder to work with.  So, for now you can use the Participants2 style,
> and expect at some point we'll have to upgrade this to a transaction-log
> style.)

OK.

Out first meeting's logs were at

http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-sparql-irc.txt
http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-sparql-minutes.html

What next? :)

Lee

> BTW, the script has a clear object model of MeetingEvents which could be
> dumped in RDF/XML easily.  I was going to dump them all into virtuoso at
> one point, but never quite got there.  Of course I'm not sure it would
> be socially good to have it easy to datamine the meeting records.
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