Re: comments about alt

On Sep 26, 2007, at 1:55 AM, Steven Faulkner wrote:

> thanks, dont have james' email address.
> feel ashamed to admit this but have rarely used IRC. can you suggest  
> a good client?

What OS do you use? On Mac OS X, I would suggest Colloquy. On Windows  
I don't have a great suggestion, but I am told XChat and HydraIRC are  
acceptable. On Linux there is once again XChat. (All should be easily  
findable with a Google query) I'd be happy to help you get set up if  
you'd like. Leaving this message in the archives in case anyone else  
would like IRC client  recommendations, but perhaps we should follow  
up personally if you would like assistance getting set up.

Regards,
Maciej

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> On 26/09/2007, Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com> wrote:
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> Hey Steven,
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> On Sep 26, 2007, at 1:44 AM, Steven Faulkner wrote:
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>> Hi Maciej, presuming you are othermaciej
>> noticed your comments about alt on the IRC
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> Indeed, c'est moi.
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>> some info about some screen readers (jaws and window eyes) that may  
>> be informative:
>> if there is no alt attribute or an empty alt="" on an image, but a  
>> title attribute title="poot", title attribute content will be read.  
>> for window eyes only if there is no alt or title on an image but  
>> the containing element has a title it will be announced
>> <a title="poot"><img></a>
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>> <othermaciej> jgraham_: do you think a title="" on the link might  
>> be an acceptable alternative in such cases?
>> # [10:33] <othermaciej> also, presumably if alt were required in  
>> such cases alt="" would be disallowed
>> # [10:34] <Dashiva> othermaciej: I think in the end non- 
>> constructive people will be written off based on their non- 
>> constructive ideas, even if the idea is anonymized
>> # [10:35] <jgraham_> othermaciej: Yeah, my other thought was to  
>> define that in the case where an image was the sole content of a  
>> link and the link had a title, the link's title would be the alt  
>> text for the image in the absence of any significant alt text (or  
>> something to that effect)
>> # [10:35] <hsivonen> jgraham_: yes, in practice, alt text like that  
>> is probably good idea if other text isn't available
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> Feel free to jump on IRC and join in the conversation if you'd like.  
> You may also want to direct this information to James, who  
> apparently is trying to come up with proposals to improve the spec  
> for alt.
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> Regards,
> Maciej
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> with regards
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> Steve Faulkner
> Technical Director - TPG Europe
> Director - Web Accessibility Tools Consortium
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