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Re: 'HTML 5' and some poem markup?

From: Leif Halvard Silli <lhs@malform.no>
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 19:27:53 +0200
Message-ID: <e7571856c2f2a2ac32636ac2da791e3f@10013.local>
To: "Gregory J. Rosmaita" <oedipus@hicom.net>
Cc: "Dr. Olaf Hoffmann" <Dr.O.Hoffmann@gmx.de>, Karl Dubost <karl@w3.org>, www-archive@w3.org


I saw that you set up a wiki page based on the correspondence about poem mark-up.

Wiki URL: 

May I ask you to also include the response that I had in that thread (even though Karl Dubost jumped over it when he summed up the debate) on the Wiki page?

Message URL: 

The central idea, which I took up with Olaf befor posting, is to introduce into HTML a <TEXT> element - as a parallel to VIDEO and AUDIO - to be used when we want to «embed» a independent piece of text - such as a poem, a play, whateever. (Btw, I just now registered myself in the ESW Wiki - so I can do it myself, if you like, but perhaps it is good if you integrate it into the structure as you see fit.)


The very problems that Olaf raised can, as I have see it, be split in two interrelated issues: 
 1) A 'container issue', for which I propose <TEXT> with various possible attributes for classification of the kind of text (perhaps, actually, CLASS would be good enough.)
 2) a 'low-level text element issue' - e.g. the need e.g. a <L> element for (semantic) lines.

I see those issues interlated because: If we want to reuse existing elements (such as <LI> for lines), then that becomes much more simple if we have a semantic container. E.g. if an author have either <POEM> or <TEXT class=poem>, then I believe that he or she would find it more easy to simply accept using e.g. <LI> for lines in a stanza/paragraph, than he/she would do if one simply had to use a typical <DIV> as container. If we don't have a semantic container, then it becomes the more necessary to have spesific low-level elements.

That said, there might be good reason for adding some more low-level elements:

The legacy "semantics"/restrictions of legacy the elements is one thing. But also, There are several text genres that needs low-level list-like formats, less bound up with the semantics of DL, OL and UL. (The semantics of DL, OL and UL are that each <LI> or each <DT> is kind of independent from the other list items.) The DIALOG element is an example of resuse of an existing element which is more "literature like": Suddenly a list tells a story - i.e. the items are suddenly more directly interrelated - in a story-like way. 

I am not so sure that we need to add a stanza format/paragraph list format (<P><LI><LI></P>) that can only be used in poems - I think there is good chance we can come up with something that is useful in other genres.

I send a CC of this message Dr Olaf Hoffmann and Karl Dubost and to www-archive@w3.org.
Leif Halvard Silli
Received on Tuesday, 9 October 2007 17:28:20 UTC

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